New Rules 2019

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LRZ

On Shorts..ok to roll them down at waist. What about players rolling up the bottom of their shorts?

Unless it is a new rule this year, why be concerned about this?

It was previously prohibited as rolling them in any way was not considered to be worn as the manufacturer intended.

The new rule change now allows the waistbands to be rolled, but it is silent on any other variation. Thus, the restriction remains with regards to the bottom of the pants.

The desire to roll the bottoms was in response to rolling the waistband being restricted as a way to shorten the overall length. Now that the waistbands can be rolled, there should be no motivation to roll the legs up.

[LRZ]

What if rolling the waistband would impermissibly show more than one manufacturer's logo (e.g., on the leg and on the waistband), so that the only way to shorten the length would be to roll the bottoms? Which is more consistent with the rule, multiple logos or rolled bottoms?

At least for sub-varsity games, these kinds of rules and restrictions are often impractical to apply and require some common sense.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LRZ

What if rolling the waistband would impermissibly show more than one manufacturer's logo (e.g., on the leg and on the waistband), so that the only way to shorten the length would be to roll the bottoms? Which is more consistent with the rule, multiple logos or rolled bottoms?

At least for sub-varsity games, these kinds of rules and restrictions are often impractical to apply and require some common sense.

Roll the waistband "under" so no logos show (or, roll it twice).

[BillyMac]

On court at 15:00. Scorebook at 12:00. Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00: Uniforms and equipment are legal, and will be worn properly. Participants will exhibit good sportsmanship. Optional: Coaching box. Thirty/sixty second timeouts.

It used to be shorter. I've only recently added box and timeout comments because most other guys were doing it.



I will occasionally hear, "Black line all the way around". No way you would ever hear me say it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It was previously prohibited as rolling them in any way was not considered to be worn as the manufacturer intended. The new rule change now allows the waistbands to be rolled, but it is silent on any other variation. Thus, the restriction remains with regards to the bottom of the pants. The desire to roll the bottoms was in response to rolling the waistband being restricted as a way to shorten the overall length. Now that the waistbands can be rolled, there should be no motivation to roll the legs up.

A note was added to Rule 3-5-5 to permit folding or rolling the shorts at the natural waistband seam. The new language does state that the shorts have to be in compliance with Rule 3-4-5, which restricts uniform pants/skirts to one visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference. Theresia Wynns, NFHS director of sports and officials and liaison to the Basketball Rules Committee, said this addition to Rule 3-5-5 modernizes the rule and allows players to adjust the shorts in a manner that serves no harm to the game or its integrity.

3-5-5: Add Note: NOTE: Provided the shorts are not in conflict with 3-4-5, no drawstring or other part of the shorts intended to maintain them in a normal position causes potential harm to the player or others and wearing of the shorts is not objectionable in exposing the anatomy, there is no restriction on folding or rolling the shorts at the natural waistband seam.
Rationale: Rolling of the shorts is only illegal by interpretation, not by current rule. This is an attempt to modernize the rule and allow what players seem to want and what serves as no harm to the game or its integrity. In particular, this interpretation was made because allegedly manufacturers did not intend on the shorts to be rolled when in fact many manufacturer reps will tell you that the seams are intentionally made to offer options in the way they are worn.

Team Member’s Equipment (3-5-5): Added Note: This note provides states an opportunity to ease the rule on wearing the shorts as intended as long as there is not a conflict with Rule 3-4-5, the drawstring or other parts do not cause harm to the wearer or others and the shorts are worn in a manner that parts of the anatomy are not objectionably exposed. Rolling or folding the shorts at the natural waistband may be allowed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It was previously prohibited as rolling them in any way was not considered to be worn as the manufacturer intended.

There were some states that did not care about these being rolled up. Both of my states did not seem to care and Illinois specifically told us not to worry about as long as the logos were not showing.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There were some states that did not care about these being rolled up. Both of my states did not seem to care and Illinois specifically told us not to worry about as long as the logos were not showing.

Previous to last year this issue never even came up here in Connecticut. It was news to us when the annual interpretations came out last year (although I had heard some rumblings on the Forum).

NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations - 2018-19
SITUATION 9: During warm-ups, the officials notice that some players have rolled the waistband on their shorts. What actions should be taken by the officials, if any, at this time? RULING: During the warm-up period, the referee should notify the coach of the infractions and ask that they be corrected immediately. If the corrections are not made and players attempt to enter the game with rolled waistbands, those players should not be allowed to enter the game prior to correcting the issue. If player(s) in the game have rolled waistband(s), they shall be directed to leave the game and may not re-enter until the next opportunity to substitute. No penalty is involved. The game should not be held-up to allow for the correction. (3-3-5, 3-5-5)

We were encouraged to enforce it last year, many ignored the encouragement, others just paid it "lip service".

Glad it was repealed, we don't need any additional fashion issues to enforce.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There were some states that did not care about these being rolled up. Both of my states did not seem to care and Illinois specifically told us not to worry about as long as the logos were not showing.

Peace

Some states may have not cared, but that doesn't mean it was legal. Your state chose to ignore the rule. That is certainly their right to do so.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Some states may have not cared, but that doesn't mean it was legal. Your state chose to ignore the rule. That is certainly their right to do so.

It was a state interpretation. That is their mandate when there is not a specifically addressed interpretation. These rolled jerseys were assumed to apply to the rule that was referenced.

Peace

[Freddy]

Forum member Jeff J. from AZ identified something seemingly wrong with the new reading of 4-41-7: "The tap or try for field goal starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball." (Used to say, "The tap starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball.")
This new wording seems to conflict with 4-41-3 which remains unchanged, "The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball".
Can anyone make some sense out of the change to 4-41-7? Seems like they just got carried away with the other insertions of the word "field" before goal and changed this when they shouldn't have.

[JRutledge]

Well, a tap is a try for goal. I do not think there is a conflict, just saying that on a tap (specifically) starts when the ball touches the hands. The hibitual motion basically already has the ball in the hand.

It is semantics and I get the confusion, but I think they are talking about two different kinds of events.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Forum member Jeff J. from AZ identified something seemingly wrong with the new reading of 4-41-7: "The tap or try for field goal starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball." (Used to say, "The tap starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball.")
This new wording seems to conflict with 4-41-3 which remains unchanged, "The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball".
Can anyone make some sense out of the change to 4-41-7? Seems like they just got carried away with the other insertions of the word "field" before goal and changed this when they shouldn't have.

You are right. It fundamentally conflicts with 4-41-3 and is incorrect.

Per the NFHS Basketball Rules Interpreters meeting (which occurred earlier today), there will be a correction forthcoming on this to delete the added words.

Your assumption regarding the initial change is also correct....editorial over-zealousness where search and replace did too well of a job.