2019-20 NFHS: Rumors/Desires?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

...Where are these gym and locker rooms where people can hear a horn at 3 minutes? And for college games, rarely can you hear a horn from a locker room. That's what makes having the clock in the officials locker room so nice. I would not call it fulfilling the requirement if there is a possibility that a team may not hear it.

You guys need stronger horns.

Originally Posted by bucky

I can see it now:

Coach: Why didn't anyone come get us?
Official: Sorry, you should have been able to hear the horn from your locker room that was down the hall and through two doors.

If a team isn't back by the 1:00 mark, I send someone to go get them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If a team isn't back by the 1:00 mark, I send someone to go get them.

Same here.

No three minute horns here in my little corner of Connecticut. We usually get a knock on the door.

For us, I would guess that about 75% of the timekeepers remember to send someone to knock on the official's locker room door and the team's locker room doors, even when reminded by the referee before halftime. Lower percentage for non-varsity games.

As officials we always try to keep track of time and often end up walking back the court on our own with no three minute knock on the door.

How about some classic 1970 Tony Orlando and Dawn?

Anybody over a certain age should know what song this is without clicking, if not, you should be ashamed of yourself.

https://youtu.be/wT5ms2Nvpco

[JRutledge]

At a camp where this was discussed right from the NCAA Committee Meeting.

• The NCAA Men's is not going to quarters. They would lose a media timeout and they make too much money off of that media timeout set up.
  
• Not advancing the ball.
  
• Moving the 3 point shot to the international level and not widening the lane.
  
• Stopping the clock is not going anywhere. They like the fact they have reduced "blarges."
  
• 20 second reset after offensive rebounds.
  
• Coaches get timeout request ability in the last two minutes of regulation and last two minutes of overtime.

Finally, we were told the Women's Tournament loses 15 million dollars a year.

The Men's Tournament makes a little over a Billion dollar (YES with a "B"). Just because the women's games does something does not mean the Men's game feels the need to do things.

Some of these have not been officially approved, that will happen in June. There was more changes I am sure, but we only addressed the ones that were asked of the person that sits in those meetings.

Peace

[Rich]

If history serves, the NFHS rules changes will be out this week. Last year, the release was dated May 16, which was Wednesday.

I don't expect much.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

If history serves, the NFHS rules changes will be out this week. Last year, the release was dated May 16, which was Wednesday.

It's like Heinz ketchup.

https://youtu.be/02dpccX6LNU

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

[*]20 second reset after offensive rebounds.

This will be a DISASTER with JuCo/small college tables.

Are all shot clocks even capable of having two different live-ball reset options?

Also I find it funny what you said about blarges. They literally had one in the first round of the tournament this year.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This will be a DISASTER with JuCo/small college tables.

Are all shot clocks even capable of having two different live-ball reset options?

Also I find it funny what you said about blarges. They literally had one in the first round of the tournament this year.

"Blarges" used to be very common and they are not as common anymore. I did not say or it was not said they never happened. BUt when people get so in their feelings about why that requirement is not removed, this is why. Bottom line they have stats on this issue and said it was proven they have gone down since the emphasis.

Also if there are officials that were to be chosen for the NCAA Tournament based off of one or two things and things like not stopping the clock was considered, he would pick someone else. So it matters if the boss says they want you to do something and you say it is silly and do not do it. Kind of how a lot of things work. Again, I am just passing along information.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This will be a DISASTER with JuCo/small college tables.

Are all shot clocks even capable of having two different live-ball reset options?

Also I find it funny what you said about blarges. They literally had one in the first round of the tournament this year.

Daktronics shot clocks do have 2 reset options. Newer Nevco models also have 2 options, as do Fair-Play models. Daktronics shot clock controllers have Reset 1 and Reset 2 buttons, Fair-Play shot clock controllers have 2 buttons as well, and the newer Nevco shot clock controllers that look like a small walkie-talkie also have separate buttons for each shot clock reset value (a controller can have up to 3 values saved). This means that reseting to 30 or 20, and keeping the shot clock running, should not be an issue, as long as the operator does not press the start-stop button to stop the shot clock while it is being reset.

Note: I have been an ECO, mostly with Daktronics scoreboards with shot clock capabilities. I know how Daktronics scoreboards work, less so about Fair-Play and Nevco (reading through the scoreboard operation manuals).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

... reading through the scoreboard operation manuals.

I've been officiating basketball for almost forty years, and as much as I hate to admit it, I have never read a scoreboard operation manual, not even one, certainly not more than one.

I hang my head in shame.

[ilyazhito]

It could be useful, especially with clueless scoreboard operators, or when I need to make a correction. If I want to tell a scoreboard operator to correct the fouls, score, or time, I can say "Set Main Clock, 5, 0, 0, Enter" to set a Daktronics scoreboard to 50.0 seconds and "Set Shot Time, 1,7, Enter" to set the shot clock to 17 seconds (or Recall Shot Time), if the scoreboard has such an option). Different scoreboard companies have different setups, and different areas use different scoreboard types (In my area, a lot of high school and college scoreboards are Daktronics units, but some junior college scoreboards are Nevco units, with a few Fair-Play scoreboards in Virginia), so it is useful to know at least the basics of scoreboard operations for the different type of units.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Daktronics shot clocks do have 2 reset options. Newer Nevco models also have 2 options, as do Fair-Play models. Daktronics shot clock controllers have Reset 1 and Reset 2 buttons, Fair-Play shot clock controllers have 2 buttons as well, and the newer Nevco shot clock controllers that look like a small walkie-talkie also have separate buttons for each shot clock reset value (a controller can have up to 3 values saved). This means that reseting to 30 or 20, and keeping the shot clock running, should not be an issue, as long as the operator does not press the start-stop button to stop the shot clock while it is being reset.

Note: I have been an ECO, mostly with Daktronics scoreboards with shot clock capabilities. I know how Daktronics scoreboards work, less so about Fair-Play and Nevco (reading through the scoreboard operation manuals).

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It looks like you have found your true calling, GAME CLOCK MAVEN.

Probably a lot easier to get games at a high level and I hear the gig pays well.

Strongly encourage you to pursue this avocation...

[ilyazhito]

It would be a blast to work with or as a shot clock operator, but I'd rather be an on-court official.

Still, it would be cool to see a shot clock show up nationwide on the high school level. It has been a positive experience for me so far working shot clock games in DC. Restricted area won't be too bad, if officials are willing to adjust their block/charge calls and are not afraid to call charges when warranted. As other users noted, I would welcome more, and more descriptive signals in high school basketball, to neither be castigated for using unapproved signals, nor to be a doofus for using only approved signals, when those are insufficient for the situation at hand .

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

At a camp where this was discussed right from the NCAA Committee Meeting.

• The NCAA Men's is not going to quarters. They would lose a media timeout and they make too much money off of that media timeout set up.
  
• Not advancing the ball.
  
• Moving the 3 point shot to the international level and not widening the lane.
  
• Stopping the clock is not going anywhere. They like the fact they have reduced "blarges."
  
• 20 second reset after offensive rebounds.
  
• Coaches get timeout request ability in the last two minutes of regulation and last two minutes of overtime.

Finally, we were told the Women's Tournament loses 15 million dollars a year.

The Men's Tournament makes a little over a Billion dollar (YES with a "B"). Just because the women's games does something does not mean the Men's game feels the need to do things.

Some of these have not been officially approved, that will happen in June. There was more changes I am sure, but we only addressed the ones that were asked of the person that sits in those meetings.

Peace

About quarters, they could go to an NBA-style system for media timeouts where they have 3 at the 7, 5, and 3 minute marks of each quarter. The quarter break would be another opportunity for media timeouts, so quarters and media timeouts should not be mutually exclusive. However, this would be something for the 2021-23 rules cycle.

20-second reset on offensive rebounds and increasing 3-point distance make sense. However, why allow coaches to just call live-ball timeouts in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd half and overtime. I would rather keep the rule that is there for the entire game (no live-ball timeouts by coaches), for the sake of consistency and ease of administration.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

About quarters, they could go to an NBA-style system for media timeouts where they have 3 at the 7, 5, and 3 minute marks of each quarter. The quarter break would be another opportunity for media timeouts, so quarters and media timeouts should not be mutually exclusive. However, this would be something for the 2021-23 rules cycle.

I guess, but they are not a fan. NBA games take longer. Everyone does not want games to take that long. Again, this is a money issue. That means ESPN, CBS and Fox want games to last a certain amount of time. It is not happening if the TV people are not on board. They are not on board it appears. It was stated clearly, they were not on board. They want games to be in that 2-hour window or around that window. Again the NBA has more going on to allow that to happen.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

About quarters, they could go to an NBA-style system for media timeouts where they have 3 at the 7, 5, and 3 minute marks of each quarter. The quarter break would be another opportunity for media timeouts, so quarters and media timeouts should not be mutually exclusive. However, this would be something for the 2021-23 rules cycle.

So you want to go from 4 mandated time-outs to 7? I am perfectly happy with 20 minutes halves and the current media format. I'm not a big fan of changing sh!t just to change sh!t.

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

... However, why allow coaches to just call live-ball timeouts in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd half and overtime. I would rather keep the rule that is there for the entire game (no live-ball timeouts by coaches), for the sake of consistency and ease of administration.

Because coaches make the rules and COACHES put a lot of value into the last 2 minutes and overtime. That's why I roll my eyes and tune out when officials drone on about all calls, no matter what point in the game, being equal. COLLEGE officials will have no problem adjusting to this rule change.