LSU v. Florida Video Request - Continuous Motion

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

BASKETBALL RULES FUNDAMENTALS

16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).

I'm not disagreeing. If this play had been in a HS game, not a college game, there is no way that 3 should have counted. We would have either a ball out of bounds, a 1-1 or 2 shots (depending on foul situation) with the score still 63-60.

If the NCAA rule is the same, and I suspect it is. This is not a made 3 point basket because the foul occurred before the shooter was in his shooting motion. Bad miss by the officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I'm not disagreeing. If this play had been in a HS game, not a college game, there is no way that 3 should have counted. We would have either a ball out of bounds, a 1-1 or 2 shots (depending on foul situation) with the score still 63-60.

If the NCAA rule is the same, and I suspect it is. This is not a made 3 point basket because the foul occurred before the shooter was in his shooting motion. Bad miss by the officials.

The rules on continuous motion are the same at the NCAA level and NF level. I would have made the very same decision at either level. The issue is if they were in the motion when the foul took place. And they have one shot to make that call. I think that was a tough decision either way. I think there is a reasonable debate to make either way. Often the calling official is not the one that sees the motion of the shooter in this situation with clarity.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Often the calling official is not the one that sees the motion of the shooter in this situation with clarity.

Agree. One official is watching the shooter, the other is watching the off ball contact. It's not too much of a stretch to think that one official may not see the other official's foul, and then have to get together and have problems deciding if the off ball foul was before or during the continuous motion of the shooter.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rules on continuous motion are the same at the NCAA level and NF level. I would have made the very same decision at either level. The issue is if they were in the motion when the foul took place. And they have one shot to make that call. I think that was a tough decision either way. I think there is a reasonable debate to make either way. Often the calling official is not the one that sees the motion of the shooter in this situation with clarity.

Peace

In many instances I can agree with not seeing the foul and the shot, however the way this particular play ended up I find it hard to understand why the officials could in any way conclude the foul happened while the shooter was in his continuous motion. The shooter had to stop his motion and restart to let the fouled player fly by. That might be the first clue to an official even if they didn't see the contact.

The fact the call was so late on the foul is also very questionable. The official doesn't even start to react to the foul until the Florida player who was fouled has his hands on the floor to break his fall. The whistle is even later.

This is a play the NCAA needs to allow to be reviewed no mater what point of the game the situation occurs.

[zm1283]

I saw this play and wanted to see what you guys thought about the timing of it all. I had almost this exact play this year, except the foul was definitely during the continuous motion. I didn't actually call it. I was Lead and my partner at Trail called the foul on the defense as an offensive player was shooting a three pointer. He came to me before he reported anything to make sure he should count the basket, which we did. The coach from the defensive team could not understand how a basket could count since the foul happened before the shot was released.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I saw this play and wanted to see what you guys thought about the timing of it all. I had almost this exact play this year, except the foul was definitely during the continuous motion. I didn't actually call it. I was Lead and my partner at Trail called the foul on the defense as an offensive player was shooting a three pointer. He came to me before he reported anything to make sure he should count the basket, which we did. The coach from the defensive team could not understand how a basket could count since the foul happened before the shot was released.

I've had similar situations, but normally what I've seen is the ball in flight and the foul is on the defense trying to get position for a rebound. They don't understand why the offense gets credit for the basket and gets the ball. Had to eject a hothead from a game over this last season during wRECk ball. He pulled the rule book out to try showing us the rule on the floor while were administering his first T for telling us (and everyone in the gym) how blanking great we were doing. The funniest part is, the player is also a MS coach in the area and I had his team later in the week. He actually apologized and said we were right on the call, but still didn't think he should have been tossed.