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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 03:32pm
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Kentucky/UConn Continuous Motion (end of 1st half foul) (video)

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Was the final foul of the first half in the act of shooting?
Seemed that the player had the ball in his right hand when fouled and then switched it over to his left for his shot.
2.9 secs on the clock

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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 06:01pm
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I don't care if he switched hands, that's a shooting motion.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 06:26pm
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I don't care if he switched hands, that's a shooting motion.
Yep. I'm a bit surprised there was ever a question.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 06:40pm
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Clearly he was in the shooting motion.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 07:23pm
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I do think, however, that the question that was asked did not question that it was a shooting foul, just that the shift to the left hand ended the motion and the try negating the subsequent made basket.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 07:38pm
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I do think, however, that the question that was asked did not question that it was a shooting foul, just that the shift to the left hand ended the motion and the try negating the subsequent made basket.
That was indeed the point. The decision is between awarding two FTs or the basket and 1 FT. Declaring this to not be a foul in the act of shooting at all was never a thought.

Upon review of the video, it appears that the player collected the rebound with his right arm, brought the ball into both hand and jumped to shoot, was fouled, and then removed his right hand/arm from the ball and finished the attempt with his left hand. I'm fine with this particular play being judged continuous motion and the basket counting.

Another discussion which we can have would be if the player went up with the ball only in his right hand, was fouled, and then switched it to his left hand before releasing the try. Someone else mentioned the famous Jordan play, which would be a good visual for this action. Should this be considered continuous motion or a new try after being fouled during a previous attempt (or perhaps while not in the act of shooting at all). That's the academic debate this play made me consider.
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Huh? Shooting foul all the way.

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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 08:05pm
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Another discussion which we can have would be if the player went up with the ball only in his right hand, was fouled, and then switched it to his left hand before releasing the try. Someone else mentioned the famous Jordan play, which would be a good visual for this action. Should this be considered continuous motion or a new try after being fouled during a previous attempt (or perhaps while not in the act of shooting at all). That's the academic debate this play made me consider.
I think that, at a minimum, as long as the shooter remains in control of the ball, that it should be part of the same motion. It would only be if control was lost that the try might end....as in when a defender knocks the ball away but the shooter somehow grabs it again and puts it in. That may a new motion. And even then, I, I'm not so sure I wouldn't count the shot.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 08:07pm
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I think that, at a minimum, as long as the shooter remains in control of the ball, that it should be part of the same motion. It would only be if control was lost that the try might end....as in when a defender knocks the ball away but the shooter somehow grabs it again and puts it in. That would be a new motion.
I would still consider that apart of motion if they were in the air and was able to maintain some level of control. As a matter of fact there was a play reviewed here that was just like that and I recall most people here said it was a good call to award shots. This play in the NC game was nothing like that situation.

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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 08:11pm
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I would still consider that apart of motion if they were in the air and was able to maintain some level of control. As a matter of fact there was a play reviewed here that was just like that and I recall most people here said it was a good call to award shots. This play in the NC game was nothing like that situation.

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The question isn't about awarding shots but how many (or alternately, whether to count the basket). Does the try end or does it continue? It is a shooting foul either way.

I say the try continues, count the basket, 1 shot.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 08:17pm
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The question isn't about awarding shots but how many (or alternately, whether to count the basket). Does the try end or does it continue? It is a shooting foul either way.

I say the try continues, count the basket, 1 shot.
The play I was talking about, the player lost the ball and while in the air, caught the ball with both hands and shot the ball and the ball went in the basket. One FT was awarded too.

When I get home I will look for the play and see if I can post it. Or maybe it was a play where APG's account is locked up on YouTube. I just remember this play because I used it in a meeting to be discussed.

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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 09:44pm
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I remember a similar discussion where a player was fouled in the air, lost control of the ball, regained control, and completed his layup.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2014, 09:55pm
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And here's the thread discussing the play:

Miami at Wake Forest 3pt play
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I don't think you count the basket here.
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Old Thu Apr 10, 2014, 01:27am
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I think that, at a minimum, as long as the shooter remains in control of the ball, that it should be part of the same motion.
Does it matter to you if the ball is moved from one hand to the other by having both hands touch it briefly in the transition or if it is tossed through open space from one hand to the other?
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