2019 NFHS Questionnaire

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot remember the last time I have seen a team hold the ball for 2 minutes in my career. I have certainly had it happen, but we are talking over 10 years ago. And the only time I see a team hold the ball for more than 30 or 40 seconds, is so they get the last shot in the quarter. That is actually very common in college games too more than high school.

I love how the narrative is to suggest this is something going on all the time when it simply is not the case.

Peace

It's wasn't all the time, but was VERY COMMON in my area. I don't know if it's lack of skillful players or coaching philosophy in this area, but teams were more than happy to hold onto the ball for 1-2 minutes to get the last shot.

Some of you(not necessarily you personally) veteran, decorated officials are acting like the addition of a shot clock substantially changes your job. I'm surprised at the reaction. Is it because you work primarily 2 man crews?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

It's wasn't all the time, but was VERY COMMON in my area. I don't know if it's lack of skillful players or coaching philosophy in this area, but teams were more than happy to hold onto the ball for 1-2 minutes to get the last shot.

Some of you(not necessarily you personally) veteran, decorated officials are acting like the addition of a shot clock substantially changes your job. I'm surprised at the reaction. Is it because you work primarily 2 man crews?

I have been working 3 person for over 20 years for every varsity contest. And I have one college ball for about 15 of those years. Working college took some time to get used to the little idiosyncrasies and does change some basic things you have to watch. We have officials at the high school level that struggle with just the clock. Now you want to add a very specific element to the game that will influence games, especially near the end if you mess up a basic reset or reset when there is not possession. I can tell you that this is a problem at the small college level where they have multiple table people and even a play-by-play record and people keeping other information. We are lucky at the high school level to get 3 good people at the table and even then we have to correct them. I just do not think this is necessary to make the game better. We will just have multiple stoppages and corrections I would rather not have people that cannot rotate well, asking them to now look at the clock more.

Again, I have no huge problem personally with the shot clock. It is probably coming, but there are officials I do not trust to get these things right. And I certainly do not trust the table people to get things right with people who are basically fans trying to run this system. Heck just having a system where "recall" is used is a must a lot of time. Instead of hearing about slow down games, we will hear about shot clock situations as we hear about at the D1 level and officials that are much more experienced miss a basic shot clock situation and they have a monitor. We will not have a monitor. Good luck with that as stated.

Peace

[frezer11]

Another rule change I would like to see is changing the requirement for the book to be ready at the 10 minute mark. How many times is the book anywhere near ready in a pre-season tournament when the teams only have 10 minutes or so to warm up?

I suppose it needs to be done and set for bookkeepers to not be rushed at the end, and coaches to figure defensive match-ups, but maybe move it to the 3 or 5 minute mark. I think few officials strictly enforce it now because its looked at as a bookkeeping thing that has no real impact on the game. Sort of like the rule change of going OOB to avoid a screen was changed from a T to a violation because no one would call it, maybe making it a more reasonable time would help.

And btw, I'm not looking to call it then either, but it feels odd to seemingly set aside a rule when teams don't have ample warm-up time. It would be just nice to be consistent regardless of the circumstances.

[Altor]

The book doesn't have to be ready by 10 minutes. The requirement is for the team to supply the scorer with a numbered roster and designate the starting five. Whether that information is recorded properly in the book at that point is irrelevant.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Another rule change I would like to see is changing the requirement for the book to be ready at the 10 minute mark. How many times is the book anywhere near ready in a pre-season tournament when the teams only have 10 minutes or so to warm up?

The book doesn't have to be ready at 10 minutes. The teams only have to have provided their roster and designated their starters by the time. If the scorer is just slow in getting the info transferred it's not a technical foul.

This is why I don't understand why some officials are so anal about going over at 12ish minutes to "correct anything before you have to give a T." There is nothing that says you have to give a T if the official book isn't completely filled out at 10:00.

Unfortunately many officials just simply don't know the rule.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The book doesn't have to be ready at 10 minutes. The teams only have to have provided their roster and designated their starters by the time. If the scorer is just slow in getting the info transferred it's not a technical foul.

This is why I don't understand why some officials are so anal about going over at 12ish minutes to "correct anything before you have to give a T." There is nothing that says you have to give a T if the official book isn't completely filled out at 10:00.

Unfortunately many officials just simply don't know the rule.

What if said officials are going over to make sure that the roster and 5 starters has been submitted to the scorer and they aren't necessarily checking the book? If you can go over around the 12 minute mark and check that, you can remind the coaches to submit their roster and 5 starters to the table by the 10 minute mark. However long it takes the scorer to transfer the information to the official book is irrelevant. By doing that, you are avoiding a T.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

What if said officials are going over to make sure that the roster and 5 starters has been submitted to the scorer and they aren't necessarily checking the book? If you can go over around the 12 minute mark and check that, you can remind the coaches to submit their roster and 5 starters to the table by the 10 minute mark. However long it takes the scorer to transfer the information to the official book is irrelevant. By doing that, you are avoiding a T.

Perhaps but in my experience most R's are going over to sign the book, not to just make sure teams have submitted the required info. And many have the notion that the book must be ready at 10:00.

And for the record, I sign the book at 10:00 if it's ready, but if it's not I'm not standing over the scorer's shoulder waiting for him/her to get everything in.

[zm1283]

I usually go over between 11:00 and 12:00 to make sure both teams have submitted rosters with starters. Then I go back to sign it if the scorer has not finished copying everything in the book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I usually go over between 11:00 and 12:00 to make sure both teams have submitted rosters with starters. Then I go back to sign it if the scorer has not finished copying everything in the book.

Why not sign it there when you there the first time? Your signature in the book has nothing to do with it being filled out. It is just identifying who the officials were for the game.

[paulsonj72]

Back in my days as a manager everybody(or so it except us) played zone. So late in games where we had leads or were trying to get a last shot we pulled the ball out to force them out of the zone. AND if the game went OT and we won the tip and the other team played zone we pulled it out to make them come out and play man. Once we changed leagues our strategy changed as almost everybody in the other league played man.