Rich's area - Is it time to drop the 3-man officiating crew?

[JRutledge]

I should have stopped reading when he said, "I never worked three-person...."

You lost all credibility talking about going to a system that you never worked. That means you never understood the acute differences.

Boy bye!!!!

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I should have stopped reading when he said, "I never worked three-person...."



You lost all credibility talking about going to a system that you never worked. That means you never understood the acute differences.



Boy bye!!!!



Peace

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[SC Official]

Basketball Weekly: Last week's column on basketball officiating draws plenty of feedback

"My column last week on the shortage of officials and the recommendation of switching back to a two-person crew was met with much criticism.

I was called everything from an “arm-chair official” to an “officiating novice” and charged with not knowing anything about PCA or POEs. I was also called sexist for using the term “three-man crew” and not a “three-person crew.”

It was also suggested that I help solve the situation by picking up a whistle and joining the officiating ranks.

Harsh words, but it all tells me how passionate many folks are about the subject.

Let me first address the arm-chair and officiating novice complaints. While attending the University of Wisconsin and upon my graduation from college (1987), I officiated basketball in this area and the Dallas/Forth Worth metroplex for more than 10 years.

Many of those I worked with are still blowing the whistle today. I never worked a three-person crew, but I did do well over 100 games as part of a two-person crew.

Does that make me an expert? No. But it does give me some background on the subject and how games are officiated.

Unfortunately, covering games for The Gazette makes it impossible to officiate the game, as well.

As far as Primary Coverage Area (PCA) and Points of Emphasis (POE), I’ve seen enough games officiated by three-person crews to know which officials know what they’re doing and which ones were thrown into the mix simply to fill a contract that calls for three officials.

I think too many readers missed my point. I’m well aware that there are many great officials still available in our area. I see it on a nightly basis. They’re professional, well-versed on the game and are there to do a job. They don’t draw attention to themselves and simply do their job to the best of their ability. That means hustling at all times, knowing the rule book and putting the players’ safety first.

My concern is in regards to the vastly rising number of officials who, to put it bluntly, have no business working varsity games.

They’re timid in their calls, not in physical shape to run up and down the court on a consistent basis and don’t seem to have a grasp on PCA, POE and the rules of the game.

And the reason they’re put into that position is because there aren’t enough officials available to work varsity games where the conference has set the three-person crew as the standard. In the past, officials got their feet wet reffing junior varsity-level games, preparing themselves for varsity contests as part of a two-person crew. The overall shortage of officials, combined with the need for three officials for each contest, can sometimes force administrators to fill crews with the best available option from an ever-shallowing pool of options.

That’s why I suggested the possibility of reverting back to a two-person crew during the regular season.

I know the three-person crew is here to stay and that many officials would quit if conferences went back to a two-person crew. Forty-nine of fifty states are now using the three-person crew at the varsity level.

My biggest concern is that as more and more of the older officials retire, who will be there to take their place?

For many reasons, including verbal abuse from the stands, pay and full-time jobs, young adults are not signing up to fill the void. A shortage of high school officials in all sports is gripping the state, a topic we covered in The Gazette extensively in the past year.

All I was trying to do was make a suggestion on how to alleviate a problem in basketball.

As for the three-man crew compared to the three-person crew, I’m well aware that the area has many qualified female officials. It’s great to see and great for the game. I certainly meant no disrespect by calling it a three-man crew. Three-woman, three-man, three-person, doesn’t matter to me as long as they’re qualified and fit to be doing games at the varsity level."

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Rich

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My column last week on the shortage of officials and the recommendation of switching back to a two-person crew was met with much criticism.

I was called everything from an “arm-chair official” to an “officiating novice” and charged with not knowing anything about PCA or POEs. I was also called sexist for using the term “three-man crew” and not a “three-person crew.”

It was also suggested that I help solve the situation by picking up a whistle and joining the officiating ranks.

Harsh words, but it all tells me how passionate many folks are about the subject.

Let me first address the arm-chair and officiating novice complaints. While attending the University of Wisconsin and upon my graduation from college (1987), I officiated basketball in this area and the Dallas/Forth Worth metroplex for more than 10 years.

Many of those I worked with are still blowing the whistle today. I never worked a three-person crew, but I did do well over 100 games as part of a two-person crew.

Does that make me an expert? No. But it does give me some background on the subject and how games are officiated.

Unfortunately, covering games for The Gazette makes it impossible to officiate the game, as well.

As far as Primary Coverage Area (PCA) and Points of Emphasis (POE), I’ve seen enough games officiated by three-person crews to know which officials know what they’re doing and which ones were thrown into the mix simply to fill a contract that calls for three officials.

I think too many readers missed my point. I’m well aware that there are many great officials still available in our area. I see it on a nightly basis. They’re professional, well-versed on the game and are there to do a job. They don’t draw attention to themselves and simply do their job to the best of their ability. That means hustling at all times, knowing the rule book and putting the players’ safety first.

My concern is in regards to the vastly rising number of officials who, to put it bluntly, have no business working varsity games.

They’re timid in their calls, not in physical shape to run up and down the court on a consistent basis and don’t seem to have a grasp on PCA, POE and the rules of the game.

And the reason they’re put into that position is because there aren’t enough officials available to work varsity games where the conference has set the three-person crew as the standard. In the past, officials got their feet wet reffing junior varsity-level games, preparing themselves for varsity contests as part of a two-person crew. The overall shortage of officials, combined with the need for three officials for each contest, can sometimes force administrators to fill crews with the best available option from an ever-shallowing pool of options.

That’s why I suggested the possibility of reverting back to a two-person crew during the regular season.

I know the three-person crew is here to stay and that many officials would quit if conferences went back to a two-person crew. Forty-nine of fifty states are now using the three-person crew at the varsity level.

My biggest concern is that as more and more of the older officials retire, who will be there to take their place?

For many reasons, including verbal abuse from the stands, pay and full-time jobs, young adults are not signing up to fill the void. A shortage of high school officials in all sports is gripping the state, a topic we covered in The Gazette extensively in the past year.

All I was trying to do was make a suggestion on how to alleviate a problem in basketball.

As for the three-man crew compared to the three-person crew, I’m well aware that the area has many qualified female officials. It’s great to see and great for the game. I certainly meant no disrespect by calling it a three-man crew. Three-woman, three-man, three-person, doesn’t matter to me as long as they’re qualified and fit to be doing games at the varsity level.

Here’s a look at three area games on tap this week:

Whitewater (5-3, 5-2) at Walworth Big Foot (6-2, 5-2), girls, Rock Valley, 7:15 p.m., today, Big Foot High School—The winner remains at least tied for first place in the Rock Valley.

Whitewater bounced back from back-to-back conference losses by blasting Brodhead last Friday. The Whippets have three players averaging 12 points or more a game, led by Abby Grosinske and Kacie Carollo at 13.6 each.

Big Foot has won four of its last five conference games to move into a four-way tie for first. Junior forward Reagan Courier leads the conference in scoring at 22.2 points per game.

Best guess: Big Foot 61, Whitewater 50

Janesville Parker (1-7) at Milton (0-7), boys, nonconference, 7:15 p.m., Saturday, Milton High School—The Vikings ended their long losing streak Tuesday against Madison West, while the Red Hawks continue to look for an end to their skid.

Milton has lost 34 straight games since beating Oregon on Feb. 10, 2017. Freshman Jack Campion leads the Red Hawks in scoring at 14.3 points per game. The team is allowing nearly 70 points a game.

Parker has been inconsistent in its first season under coach Matt Bredesen. The Vikings have been competitive, at times, but all of their losses have come by double digits.

Senior Tremar Curry leads the Vikings in scoring at 11.2 per game. Senior Connor Stricklin made his season debut Tuesday and scored a game-high 16 points.

Best guess: Parker 68, Milton 60

Lake Geneva Badger (7-3) at Janesville Craig (2-4), girls, nonconference, 7:15 p.m., Friday, Craig High School—This is a matchup of two teams that seem to be headed in opposite directions. The Badgers have won three straight, while the Cougars have lost four straight after starting 2-0.

Jada Moss leads Badger in scoring at 15.7 points a game. The Badgers are averaging 51.9 points.

Craig is in a tailspin due to too many prolonged scoring droughts.

In a 55-38 loss to Madison East last Friday, Craig led by 10 at half but scored only nine points in the second half.

Senior Emily Pierson leads the team in scoring at 13 points per game, with sophomore Claudia Fieiras averaging 11.8.

Best guess: Badger 54, Craig 49

John Barry is a sports writer for The Gazette.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I should have stopped reading when he said, "I never worked three-person...."

You lost all credibility talking about going to a system that you never worked. That means you never understood the acute differences.

Boy bye!!!!

Peace

I don't think any experienced official can honestly say that working 3 man is not better for everybody vs 2 man.

If you haven't worked it, you really shouldn't have an opinion.

Just my opinion

[jeremy341a]

There isn't a thing wrong with 2 man. It is perfectly fine. That is until you work 3 man. The next time you work 2 man you realize it is terrible. You know you are missing half the stuff you normally pick up. I don't know how anyone could claim 2 man is better.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

There isn't a thing wrong with 2 man. It is perfectly fine. That is until you work 3 man. The next time you work 2 man you realize it is terrible. You know you are missing half the stuff you normally pick up.

Try working one person, as I did yesterday for the first time in over thirty-years. I knew going in that I was going to miss a lot of calls, but after I tossed the jump ball and officiated a few minutes I said to myself, "Man, this is really tough, I really miss my partner". You guys that do all three person must say the same thing to yourselves when your may be rarely forced to do two person.

[ilyazhito]

I have, for part of a rec game when my partner was on his way. I had to basically work as a Center official opposite until my partner showed up. No sideline coverage whatsoever, limited angles to see plays. I would not work 1-person in any scholastic game for that reason. After working 3-person for intramurals, scrimmages, and my first 2 varsity games this past week, I really don't want to work 2 person games unless I absolutely must. There are too many plays that a 2-person crew will missed as compared to a 3-person crew.

How can the author of the OP have been an official in Texas, and never worked a 3-person game? Did he not go to camp, officiate playoff games, or have any of the conferences that he was in assign 3 officials? I would be surprised if the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex still only uses 2 officials for varsity games, because there are a lot of schools, a lot of officials, and a lot of money in the Metroplex. If there are any DBOA or Dallas TASO basketball officials, let me know about the current situation, and when 3-person started in your part of Texas.

BTW, I totally agree with SC Official about the "for the kids" phrase used as hypocritical lip service. If you really want to do this for high school kids, make sure the game environment is safe, including providing an adequate crew (3 officials for varsity, 2 for freshman/middle school games).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

How can the author of the OP have been an official in Texas, and never worked a 3-person game?

He quit working in 1997. That, apparently, makes him an expert for all time.


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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Rich

He quit working in 1997. That, apparently, makes him an expert for all time.


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I'd have to assume that UIL and TAPPS authorized 3-person officiating in Texas in 1998 or some time soon thereafter. On any basketball officials' association website in Texas, there is information about 2 and 3 person, including information on 3-person game fees, which means that 3-person is pretty widely used in TX.

Still, just because you were an official before 3-person was introduced does not make you an expert on 3-person. I would not call BillyMac an expert on 3-person, because CT rarely uses 3-person (playoffs and a few rivalry games a year), but I would call JRutledge, Raymond, or Rich experts, because they have consistently worked 3-person on multiple levels.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I would not work 1-person in any scholastic game for that reason.

Really?

Schedule mix up? Partner in car accident on way to game? Partner twists ankle in first minute?

You would just refund everybody's ticket price, tell the kids to get back on the bus and go home, and turn off the lights when you left the gym?

Really?

Doesn't sound very professorial, and doesn't sound like you've been to any rodeos, or have been around the block at least once.

Here in Connecticut we have statewide written one person mechanics guidelines in place (mostly common sense), seldom used, but they're there because one doesn't officiate very long until one eventually uses them.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Really? Schedule mix up? Partner in car accident on way to game? Partner twists ankle in first minute? You would just refund everybody's ticket price, tell the kids to get back on the bus and go home, and turn off the lights when you left the gym? Really?



Doesn't sound very professorial, and doesn't sound like you've been to any rodeos, or have been around the block at least once.



Here in Connecticut we have statewide written one person mechanics guidelines in place (mostly common sense), seldom used, but they're there because one doesn't officiate very long until one eventually needs them.

We cannot start a game with 1 official in WI.

This is another reason to hire 3 for varsity contests - if one goes down you still have two to finish the contest.


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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Really?

Schedule mix up? Partner in car accident on way to game? Partner twists ankle in first minute?

You would just refund everybody's ticket price, tell the kids to get back on the bus and go home, and turn off the lights when you left the gym?

Really?

Doesn't sound very professorial, and doesn't sound like you've been to any rodeos, or have been around the block at least once.

Here in Connecticut we have statewide written one person mechanics guidelines in place (mostly common sense), seldom used, but they're there because one doesn't officiate very long until one eventually uses them.

Billy, I would wait for my partner and/or a replacement to show up. If I have an official for next game watching, I would enlist him/her. If my partner is in traffic, I would delay the game and explain this to both coaches. If my partner is injured and no alternate official is available (no official for a future/prior game/official who is working as a clock operator), I would gather both coaches and explain to them that I cannot continue the game, because I alone would not be able to provide proper floor coverage to ensure the safety of their players. I would not open myself up to a lawsuit for an injury caused by working 1-person mechanics that happens due to a play that I cannot see.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You guys that do all three person must say the same thing to yourselves when your may be rarely forced to do two person.

Yep.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

There isn't a thing wrong with 2 man. It is perfectly fine. That is until you work 3 man. The next time you work 2 man you realize it is terrible. You know you are missing half the stuff you normally pick up. I don't know how anyone could claim 2 man is better.

You are 100% correct!