Boy dunks during halftime of girls game....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

"Son, off the court, please."

Or, as our good friends in Texas do, hide behind the bleachers and sound a whistle.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why does this come up every few years?

I would ask the officials what they would do if a spectator dunked during halftime.

LMAO..sometimes we ain't dealing with geniuses!

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Shooter14

Technical?

If the "boy" is a player on either boys varsity team scheduled to play after the girls varsity game - YES. Issue the T.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

If the "boy" is a player on either boys varsity team scheduled to play after the girls varsity game - YES. Issue the T.

And we have found "that guy."

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And we have found "that guy."

Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E: Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks. RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

Reason? The officials jurisdiction, prior to the game, begins when they arrive on the floor at least fifteen minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game. The "team members" that dunk appear to be a actual participants in the game that the officials have jurisdiction over, and whose names will probably appear in the book in about five minutes.

With apologies to Freddy, "Don't be a (retired) plumber".

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

I know the pregame dunking rules, but thanks.

My jurisdiction for the second game of a back-to-back doesn't start until I come out to observe warmups following the conclusion of the first game. I'm not going to preside over two games at once. The only people I care about at halftime are the participants of the current contest.

"What rule supports that?" Well, I could just as easily ask the same question regarding why someone would issue a T.

AFAIC, this falls under Rule 2-3. If your state issues guidance to the contrary, great, but thankfully mine does not.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I know the pregame dunking rules, but thanks.

My jurisdiction for the second game of a back-to-back doesn't start until I come out to observe warmups following the conclusion of the first game. I'm not going to preside over two games at once. The only people I care about at halftime are the participants of the current contest.

"What rule supports that?" Well, I could just as easily ask the same question regarding why someone would issue a T.

AFAIC, this falls under Rule 2-3. If your state issues guidance to the contrary, great, but thankfully mine does not.

Ditch the attitude. My questions aren't designed to challenge your competency. A lot of people read this forum that are seeking information that will likely never take the time to register and request. Discussion beneficial. That's why this forum exists.

Back to the topic at hand - If an official is early for their game and is watching JV or GV officials working the 2nd Qtr of their game and halftime arrives...as they are walking to the locker room, BV players run onto the court for a quick shoot around. They observe a player(s) dunk. Is it the consensus here that they ignore it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I'm not going to preside over two games at once.

Nice post. Common sense. Short. To the point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

How is this setting aside a rule? Your example is 15 minutes before game time and when you as an official are on the court (by other standards and expectations in the rules). The OP was a situation during the halftime of another game. Now if you feel that is the intent of the written rule, what about if the crew is not working the girl's game or the game before their game and they happened to be in the stands and see a player in their game dunk? What is some guy that you do not know is on either team dunks? You penalizing that too? Is that the spirit of the actual rule?

The rule does not say anytime during the pregame whether that be an hour or 20 minutes before the game. This all applies when the officials have jurisdiction over their game. Halftime of another game has nothing to do with the game the players are playing in. I guess you would also require the players to remove jewelry, illegal equipment or tell them to take off certain color sleeves or items that do not fit the color restrictions during the halftime of the previous games as well? And when they do not comply, are you going to not allow them to play or give them a technical foul if they do not follow your instructions?

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rule does not say anytime during the pregame whether that be an hour or 20 minutes before the game. This all applies when the officials have jurisdiction over their game. Halftime of another game has nothing to do with the game the players are playing in. I guess you would also require the players to remove jewelry, illegal equipment or tell them to take off certain color sleeves or items that do not fit the color restrictions during the halftime of the previous games as well? And when they do not comply, are you going to not allow them to play or give them a technical foul if they do not follow your instructions?

Peace

The state I work in has adopted it's own rule. From an official online message to all basketball officials:

"Players may not dunk during the pregame warm-up before their game or during the half-time of the preceding game. Administration and coaches are responsible to make sure players do not dunk during these periods. Once officials arrive on the court if dunking occurs the penalty is a technical foul. The foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach and the coach loses his/her coaching box privilege for the remainder of the game. This rule is outlined in the basketball manual and is to be followed by all schools during the regular and post season."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

....

Do you also T a player for Friday who dunks on Tuesday?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Ok, I gotta give you guys credit you are way to patient with Mr. #olderthanklook. I had to go get my boots on after post #38 where he posted the text from the alleged guidance issued by his state. I’m calling BS on it.

I have two questions I’d like answered about this :

1. What state issued this guidance?

2. Give us the name of the person who penned this guidance so it can be verified.

For the rest of the group, I’d love to hear someone else from whatever this state occurred in to verify this too.

I’m sorry, I just don’t buy it. I mean really, can anyone here imagine walking into a gym on a Friday night and starting a game with two shots and the ball because a player in that game had dunked during halftime of a game on Tuesday night in which they were not a participant? Really?!?!?


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Originally Posted by Shooter14

Technical?

F no.

Close the thread, mods.