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Old Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:50pm
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Started my new life as a subvarsity official tonight. Girls junior varsity game. Within the first minute I call two easy rebounding fouls on White #44, White's tallest player, one down the offensive end and, after our switch, one down the defensive end. Not an especially rough player just wrong place, wrong time.

For some reason her coach doesn't take her out of the game. In the next minute White #44 and White #13 both push and "sandwich" an opposing player. I've got the whistle. In a split second I decide not to call a multiple foul (I never have called one, never seen one called, I'm not even sure how to penalize) and consciously, intentionally, and deliberately made a decision to charge the foul to White #13 instead of White #44.

I never even tried to think it over and figure out who, if anybody, fouled first, I just knew that I wasn't charging White #44 with her third foul in the first few minutes, all called by me.

I should practice what I preach, but I guess, sometimes I don't.
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Old Mon Dec 10, 2018, 10:16pm
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I decide not to call a multiple foul (I never have called one, never seen one called, I'm not even sure how to penalize).
No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant):

Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.

Really? Before the bonus?

That certainly would get everyone's attention.

Has anyone ever called a multiple foul?
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Old Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:33pm
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No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant): Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.Really? Before the bonus? That certainly would get everyone's attention.
Any coach who saw me do this couldn't help but to put me on their state tournament ballot as "fast as lightning". Probably wouldn't even wait for the game to end.

(Sorry, still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting playing in my head).
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Old Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:18pm
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No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant):

Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.

Really? Before the bonus?

That certainly would get everyone's attention.

Has anyone ever called a multiple foul?
Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?
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Old Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:50pm
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50/50 Calling officials suck. No patience no great judgement. All of our calls should be clear and make the game better. If we have a crew making those calls the coaches and players have a decision to make. Play a lot cleaner or foul out. The kid has 5 chances to figure it out. If he fouls out he didnt adapt and we shouldn't have to track this.

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Old Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:22pm
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Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?
Problem with multiples is that they really aren't by the book possible except for during a try. Second 'foul' on a non try would be a during the dead ball by definition so it would be ignored unless it bad enough to warrant a T.
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Old Thu Dec 13, 2018, 07:26pm
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Problem with multiples is that they really aren't by the book possible except for during a try. Second 'foul' on a non try would be a during the dead ball by definition so it would be ignored unless it bad enough to warrant a T.
While I don't call them, nor have I seen anybody call one, I disagree.

In my previously posted situation where a Red player was sandwiched between two pushing defenders, White #44 and White #13, the two separate pushes happened at exactly the same time (by the naked eye, no slow motion video), no try was involved (it was a rebounding foul), and it fits the classic definition of a multiple foul: A multiple foul is a situation in which two or more teammates commit personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time.

I don't what to be "that guy" and be the first person in the universe to call a multiple foul. With everybody's grandmother having a cell phone camera, it would be all over social media "as fast as lightning".
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2018, 08:45am
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Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?
My theory:

The rules book legitimately has "double" and "false-double" fouls. And, it legitimately has "false-multiple" fouls. But, you can't have a "false something" without also having that "something." So, the definition and penalty was added just for completeness.
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2018, 11:59am
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My theory:

The rules book legitimately has "double" and "false-double" fouls. And, it legitimately has "false-multiple" fouls. But, you can't have a "false something" without also having that "something." So, the definition and penalty was added just for completeness.
Well, you really wouldn't need to even define false-multiple if there were no multiple. The "false-multiples" would just be fouls.
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Old Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:31am
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Where was your co-offical(s) ? They were officiating the same game ? Your choice we’ve all made ..but you Crew has to be on same page and know they also have to step it up ..
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