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[bucky]

Generally speaking, I have never worked a scrimmage where officials were not paid. I indeed have volunteered my services and I never accept money if officiating a scrimmage featuring one of my kids playing.

I may be a fool for other reasons but it seems difficult to label a volunteer a fool. As a parent of players, instead of working concessions or providing other parental services, I offer to officiate scrimmages without pay.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

As a parent of players, instead of working concessions or providing other parental services, I offer to officiate scrimmages without pay.

Well stated, very specific situation, but nevertheless, well stated. Thank you.

[Mregor]

In AZ they are assigned by the state and we are not paid, not even travel. AZ is in a mess right now with new coordinator of officials. I had 1:00+ drive each way last one I did. If you don't work scrimmage, supposedly you are not eligible for post season. I've never pushed it to see.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

In AZ they are assigned by the state and we are not paid, not even travel. AZ is in a mess right now with new coordinator of officials. I had 1:00+ drive each way last one I did.

Sounds to me like a big tax write off, especially when you factor in your three martini (shaken, not stirred) halftime intermission.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

In AZ they are assigned by the state and we are not paid, not even travel. AZ is in a mess right now with new coordinator of officials. I had 1:00+ drive each way last one I did. If you don't work scrimmage, supposedly you are not eligible for post season. I've never pushed it to see.

Also sounds like a violation of independent contractor laws, but again, not really worth pushing usually.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Also sounds like a violation of independent contractor laws, but again, not really worth pushing usually.

In South Carolina you are supposed to lose rating points if you don't work the minimum number of free scrimmages, which affects how far you go in the postseason. Not sure how strictly that's enforced.

Many states place restrictions on officials that would probably be considered violations of IC laws if someone really wanted to make a big deal about it. My state is one of them.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by bucky

Generally speaking, I have never worked a scrimmage where officials were not paid. I indeed have volunteered my services and I never accept money if officiating a scrimmage featuring one of my kids playing.

I may be a fool for other reasons but it seems difficult to label a volunteer a fool. As a parent of players, instead of working concessions or providing other parental services, I offer to officiate scrimmages without pay.

Well said. I've volunteered for many scrimmages and lower level games.

I like to help the coaches/kids/schools/whatever out.

PLUS, it's a chance to get better and improve. I guess my time isn't too valuable for that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Well said. I've volunteered for many scrimmages and lower level games.



I like to help the coaches/kids/schools/whatever out.



PLUS, it's a chance to get better and improve. I guess my time isn't too valuable for that.

As long as it's truly voluntary.....


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as it's truly voluntary.....

Agree 100%.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, when we used to work free scrimmages, it was always 100% voluntary, with absolutely no strings attached, most times our assigner didn't even know who was volunteering.

No strings tied to assignments, promotion, tournament, "good standing", etc.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as it's truly voluntary.....


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I'm missing what you are getting it.

Yes, it's truly voluntary. I like to officiate and I like to help people out. Because of the crazy fans/parents, it's hard to get regular joe's to volunteer. I don't mind at all stepping in for that.

Help somebody out, get some exercise, get better, get some rust off. To me it's nothing but a positive thing. Perhaps that is far different in other areas of the country.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as it's truly voluntary.....


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Now I see!!!!!!

After reading BillyMac's response, I see what you were saying.

Yes, it truly is voluntary. I'm also not blind that doing favors for people helps you in the long run. Do I get some better contracts/prime games for helping people out? I suppose I probably have. Honestly, that isn't even on my list of reasons for why I volunteer and work for free.

I don't know how it is where most of you guys live, but local YMCA tourneys can't get good officials because of the screaming from crazy parents and coaches. I love stepping in and helping. Just wish I could get more guys to do the same.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I don't know how it is where most of you guys live, but local YMCA tourneys can't get good officials because of the screaming from crazy parents and coaches. I love stepping in and helping. Just wish I could get more guys to do the same.

That's the YMCA's fault as far as I'm concerned. I have no sympathy for organizations that pay lip service to "sportsmanship" and "thinking about the kids" while simultaneously letting faux coaches and little Johnny's dad run loose.

And wreck/travel ball officials that sell their souls to make minimal cash working unorganized street ball don't do any favors for the officiating avocation as a whole.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I don't know how it is where most of you guys live, but local YMCA tourneys can't get good officials because of the screaming from crazy parents and coaches. I love stepping in and helping. Just wish I could get more guys to do the same.

As far as I’m concerned, this is the fault of YMCA league officials(and by that I mean the people who run the league, not the officials who referee the games) failure to hold their parents and coaches accountable for the values of sportsmanship they claim they stand for. As officials, we can only do so much. If league officials won’t back us, or take extra steps when the same parents and coaches constantly get out of line, many of us will choose to spend our time doing something besides putting up with that crap.



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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by WhistlesAndStripes

As far as I’m concerned, this is the fault of YMCA league officials failure to hold their parents and coaches accountable for the values of sportsmanship they claim they stand for. As officials, we can only do so much. If league officials won’t back us, or take extra steps when the same parents and coaches constantly get out of line, many of us will choose to spend our time doing something besides putting up with that crap.

And according to him, we don't care about getting better or giving back by choosing to spend our time elsewhere.

Quite frankly, I don't owe anything to "the kids." Playing basketball is a privilege. If the kids' parents and coaches and the league directors run off all the officials, too bad.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And according to him, we don't care about getting better or giving back by choosing to spend our time elsewhere.

Quite frankly, I don't owe anything to "the kids." Playing basketball is a privilege. If the kids' parents and coaches and the league directors run off all the officials, too bad.

Nice attitude you have. You sound like somebody that will only get on the court if you are paid. That's fine. Everybody is free to make their own decisions and do what they want. I like to volunteer and help out when I can. You don't have to.