NFHS Part 2 Exam

[Matt S.]

Or you had the answers in advance

64 & 65 both have multiple correct answers...that's what bugs me most...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Or you had the answers in advance

64 & 65 both have multiple correct answers...that's what bugs me most...

Care to post those two questions (or provide them in a private message)? I'd love to see what they are and what the possible answers are.

I only have access to Part 1 (which I've completed).

Part 1 had a question with 2 correct answers (Question 1 about direct technicals on a coach). It also had one question that was either ambiguous or just wrong depending on how you read it (the one on goaltending and entering the basket from below).

[Stripes33]

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons

Originally Posted by Stripes33

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons



I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

[Matt S.]

Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...

Yep. And I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording. NCAA tests are a lot more straight forward.

[BryanV21]

It sounds like the confusion comes from the fact that the "in flight on a try for goal" exemption is only mentioned when it comes to the expiration of time.

[Raymond]

Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...

Interesting. I was thinking of this...

ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.

I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

This would be true in the case of basket interference by a defender. See 4.19.6 Situation A. Then go to 4.19.9 Situation A and you will see the goal scored by A1 does not cause the ball to be dead. The ball becomes dead when A1 commits a player control foul while returning to the floor.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

Thanks.

I'm not sure what the confusion is unless "All of the above" is unlcear.

Rule 6-7:

The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 4 . . . A player-control or team-control foul occurs.
ART. 5 . . . An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
ART. 6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
ART. 8 . . . A free-throw violation by the throwing team, as in 9-1, occurs.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

Trying to decipher all the posts. Which answers are true? Did someone try to explain that 64A and 65C are false because there is no mention of the shooter being airborne?

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by bucky

Trying to decipher all the posts. Which answers are true? Did someone try to explain that 64A and 65C are false because there is no mention of the shooter being airborne?

Yes. In post #6

[bucky]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Yes. In post #6

When someone shoots and makes a desperation heave before the buzzer, and they do not leave or jump off the ground, are you telling me a ref is not going to count it b/c they were not airborne? Seems laughable if I am understanding that is what posters are saying. And if it is correct by rule, no ref would still enforce that (just as my tagline indicates).