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Old Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:21pm
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NFHS Part 2 Exam

Just submitted it. And passed with room to spare... but just want to warn the masses, there are a couple of 'correct' answers that are simply wrong.

I know, not a surprise...
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:28pm
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I got 100% on my exam, so I think what you say is Fake News.
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:04pm
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Congrats

Or you had the answers in advance

64 & 65 both have multiple correct answers...that's what bugs me most...
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:42pm
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Or you had the answers in advance

64 & 65 both have multiple correct answers...that's what bugs me most...
Care to post those two questions (or provide them in a private message)? I'd love to see what they are and what the possible answers are.

I only have access to Part 1 (which I've completed).

Part 1 had a question with 2 correct answers (Question 1 about direct technicals on a coach). It also had one question that was either ambiguous or just wrong depending on how you read it (the one on goaltending and entering the basket from below).
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:05pm
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Here question 64 and 65 from Part 2.

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:53pm
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64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.
I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons

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65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.
I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:56pm
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64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.
Thanks.

I'm not sure what the confusion is unless "All of the above" is unlcear.

Rule 6-7:
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The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 4 . . . A player-control or team-control foul occurs.
ART. 5 . . . An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
ART. 6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
ART. 8 . . . A free-throw violation by the throwing team, as in 9-1, occurs.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:08pm
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I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons



I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.
An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:16pm
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Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...
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Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.


Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:24pm
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Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...
Yep. And I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording. NCAA tests are a lot more straight forward.
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It sounds like the confusion comes from the fact that the "in flight on a try for goal" exemption is only mentioned when it comes to the expiration of time.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:31pm
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Tricky Wording ...

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I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording.
IAABO Refresher Exams used to have tricky wording, they've been a little better the past few years.

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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:39pm
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Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.


Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...
Interesting. I was thinking of this...

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ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.
I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:48pm
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But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.
This.

NCAA tests and quizzes actually ask 'real world,' situational cases that force you into the rules and case books.
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