NFHS Part 2 Exam

[Stripes33]

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons

Originally Posted by Stripes33

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons



I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

[Matt S.]

Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...

Yep. And I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording. NCAA tests are a lot more straight forward.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording.

IAABO Refresher Exams used to have tricky wording, they've been a little better the past few years.

[BryanV21]

It sounds like the confusion comes from the fact that the "in flight on a try for goal" exemption is only mentioned when it comes to the expiration of time.

[Raymond]

Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...

Interesting. I was thinking of this...

ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.

I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

[Matt S.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

This.

NCAA tests and quizzes actually ask 'real world,' situational cases that force you into the rules and case books.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

This.

NCAA tests and quizzes actually ask 'real world,' situational cases that force you into the rules and case books.

The answers for both are D.
These are NFHS rules exams. They test you on the word for word text in the book, not scenarios asking you to make a ruling on a situation.
Basically, if the text is in the book, it is a correct answer on these exams.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Interesting. I was thinking of this...



I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

Camron, I think we discussed this confusion last year. Even if the try was good the ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Rule 6-7 Exception is correct and the supporting case play is 6.7.4. In part, "Airborne shooter A1's foul is a player control foul which does cause the ball to become dead immediately . . . even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Camron, I think we discussed this confusion last year. Even if the try was good the ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Rule 6-7 Exception is correct and the supporting case play is 6.7.4. In part, "Airborne shooter A1's foul is a player control foul which does cause the ball to become dead immediately . . . even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul."

I disagree. There is no ambiguity on a made goal making the ball dead....there are no exceptions attached to that line.

You skipped a part in the case citation that changes the meaning.

6.7.4's point about making the ball dead immediately is right. The underlying situation is that the shot was still in flight. They go on to say that even if it wasn't and had already gone in, the goal still doesn't count. That statement does not support the claim that the ball is still live after a made goal.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

This would be true in the case of basket interference by a defender. See 4.19.6 Situation A. Then go to 4.19.9 Situation A and you will see the goal scored by A1 does not cause the ball to be dead. The ball becomes dead when A1 commits a player control foul while returning to the floor.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

Thanks.

I'm not sure what the confusion is unless "All of the above" is unlcear.

Rule 6-7:

The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 4 . . . A player-control or team-control foul occurs.
ART. 5 . . . An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
ART. 6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
ART. 8 . . . A free-throw violation by the throwing team, as in 9-1, occurs.