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[Rich]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Just looking for other people's thoughts.



How would you feel Rich if a former member left and became a competitor because he lost an election?

Has nothing to do with feelings. Need to show those schools you provide a better product and compete.


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[Terrapins Fan]

I agree. But feelings do come into play. I go back to officiating shoild be a brotherhood. We should support one another, not split because we lost an election.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

But feelings do come into play.

I agree with Rich. Feelings and emotions should not be completely ignored, but they should not come into play regarding moving on from this ugly situation.

Show schools you provide a better product and compete. Recruit more schools. Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any). Recruit more officials. Improve your training program. Improve your evaluation system. Keeps business to a minimum and continuing education to a maximum when you have meetings.

Turn lemons into ... Never mind. I don't think that you're in the mood for clichés.

[bob jenkins]

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

I've always found this to be a huge conflict of interest that always ends up being restraint of trade in some way.

Having one person or group dictate whether I can work and what I work is a terrible arrangement, IMO.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

Totally agree. I get why this happens or people think this is the a good thing on the surface, but when it is about the person that assigns in your group and that relationship with the group is strained, then this is what can and will happen.

Peace

[Terrapins Fan]

Bad Zebra, Thanks, good advice. Same with everyone who replied. His stated goal is to destroy our group. He took 5 of the best officials with him. 2 are college level officials.

But we have a very good core. It just bothers me that someone can do this. I would never have thought about it in a million years.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Bad Zebra, Thanks, good advice. Same with everyone who replied. His stated goal is to destroy our group. He took 5 of the best officials with him. 2 are college level officials.

But we have a very good core. It just bothers me that someone can do this. I would never have thought about it in a million years.

It happened here 8 years ago when a commissioner (assignor) was voted out. Quality of local HS officiating has been for sh!t ever since because of the fracture. It's why I traveled up to Richmond for 6 years to officiate HS games.

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

...He took 5 of the best officials with him. 2 are college level officials...

Somehow I'm not sure we're getting both sides of the story regarding this association split. Five of the best officials in the association leave along with this person and two of them are college level officials, and we're supposed to believe that all of this happened because someone lost an election?? Seems to me like there's more to this than what we've been told.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Totally agree. I get why this happens or people think this is the a good thing on the surface, but when it is about the person that assigns in your group and that relationship with the group is strained, then this is what can and will happen.

Peace

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority, the more I wish we had the college-style arrangement that your state has.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority, the more I wish we had the college-style arrangement that your state has.

They're not all like that. Probably not even most.

And what do you mean like college-style? Here, it is one assignor for 200-300+ miles in all directions that has all of the D3 and NAIA schools and one that has a few of the JC's. College, here, is far more restricted than HS. A person can find 20-30 (or more) different HS associations in the area of 2 college assignors.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority ...

My local IAABO board (it's actually the elected executive committee) hires an assigner on a one year contract, $32,025.00 for 2018-19. Been that way for thirty-eight years, and probably longer.

I'm a journeyman official and I can't complain, I get a full schedule, including many high level games, usually as the umpire with a high level partner.

I never hear any complaining from the younger officials, probably because of our new evaluation system that does away with years of experience and goes with evaluations by a highly trained committee.

Our assignment system is ripe for problems, in 100% IAABO Connecticut, if one wants to officiate interscholastic games anywhere in the two counties we cover, there's only one assigner, it's a really restrictive monopoly.

And except for those grandfathered in, one can only work in the county where one resides, so unlike Bonnie and Clyde often did, we can't cross county lines.

But it works. We have a both great assigner, and a great evaluation system.

Many officials usually want more games. Well, as they often say, be careful what you wish for.

Last season, due to weather reschedules, during one week in February I worked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. For the first time ever, I had to do laundry in midweek, or I would run out of uniforms. For the first time in my career I had too many games, I couldn't wait for Sunday to get a night off.

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any)...

If I am a member of an association and association leadership does this, how does this help me?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Show schools you provide a better product and compete. Recruit more schools. Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any). Recruit more officials. Improve your training program. Improve your evaluation system. Keeps business to a minimum and continuing education to a maximum when you have meetings.

Originally Posted by genetoy71

If I a member of an association and association leadership does this, how does this help me?

By keeping school schedules, and thus more game assignments for you, especially if you're not a member of another assigning board.

You're right, it's not a great idea, but in the "dog eat dog world" of two competing assigning boards in the same locality, anything goes when it comes to making one assigning board look more attractive to coaches/athletic directors/principals/league directors than the other assigning board.

And maybe, depending on the state guidelines and contracted fees, it's easier to "tinker" with scrimmage fees than it is to "tinker" with actual game fees.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

... school gave the other board all their schedule because he offered to work 2 person instead of 3 person ...

In the specific case of this thread, the "Brand X" assigning board already came up with a cost saving measure of lower total game fees by agreeing to go with two person crews.

Some schools may find this cost saving idea of "quantity over quality" financially attractive and thus, a real bargain.

Others may not.