Thoughts on Block/Charge play and sequence that follows

[ilyazhito]

Not a charge at the NCAA level, because LGP cannot be established in the restricted area. In NFHS, this would initially be a no-call, because neither the defender nor the offensive player are doing anything wrong. However, once the defender flips the offensive player, all bets are off. It would be a flagrant foul (flagrant 2 foul in NCAA) with 2 free throws and possession for Black onot the endline. Flipping a person onto his head is not a basketball play, it is excessive contact, and also violent and unnecessary.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Not a charge at the NCAA level, because LGP cannot be established in the restricted area.

You might want to rethink that statement. When was LGP actually established? Is isn't necessarily when he stops.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You might want to rethink that statement. When was LGP actually established? Is isn't necessarily when he stops.

Additionally for ilyazhito, also keep in mind that it was a primary defender, not a secondary defender.

[Raymond]

I could live with an Intentional Foul (F1).

[Matt S.]

Originally Posted by bucky

Additionally for ilyazhito, also keep in mind that it was a primary defender, not a secondary defender.

I can only speak to NCAA-W rules, but in a fast break situation, all defensive players are initially secondary defenders.

Now, there's certainly interpretation as to when the fast break ends...and when 'initially' no longer applies...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

I can only speak to NCAA-W rules, but in a fast break situation, all defensive players are initially secondary defenders.

Now, there's certainly interpretation as to when the fast break ends...and when 'initially' no longer applies...

In Men's basketball, it has to be an outnumbered break. This is a one on one matchup.

BTW, if you look at the video this is clearly a high school game. It is a playoff game in California for high school. So all of this is interesting, but not relevant to the actual play. Even the comments say the RA does not come into play because it is a high school game.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

I would still have no call prior to the defender flipping the offensive player, because neither had done anything illegal to that point (offensive player was jumping to shoot, and defensive player backed up to stay in his way/ contest the shot), whether by NCAA or NFHS rules. However, the flip would be a flagrant foul in my book because that is not a basketball play, unnecessary and excessive contact, and could also be classified as severe , because the player flipped is put into a dangerous position and has no control of how he lands. This is just as bad as the play in the Kansas state playoffs this year where one player undercut another player who was airborne attempting a dunk, and caused him to crash into the backboard stanchion. I would be surprised if the officials do not call this action at least an intentional foul, and I would support a flagrant foul called here.

[deecee]

On first watch I had black player with a flagrant for the follow through and slam. Don't know how you only have a common foul. I was also surprised at the low level of T's for the overall chirpiness and crappy player behavior.

How many times in a game can you say "knock it off"?

[BillyMac]

I've decided to play.

Defensive player held legal guarding position. Offensive player didn't charge but jumped over defensive player who then intentionally and flagrantly fouled the offensive airborne shooter who was still in the act of shooting (hadn't returned to the floor yet) before the ball went in the basket. No technical foul because the ball hadn't yet gone in the basket, and the airborne shooter hadn't returned to the floor, so it was a live ball foul.

Count the basket. Offensive player get two free throws for the intentional flagrant foul with the lane cleared and his team gets the ball back at spot closest to the foul. Defensive player gets ejected and sits on the bench for the rest of the game.

I agree with bob jenkins, this would have been more interesting, in terms of how to handle it, if there had been a double foul, or false double foul.

Nice video jeremy341a. Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by billymac

count the basket. Offensive player get two free throws for the intentional foul with the lane cleared and his team gets the ball back at spot closest to the foul. Defensive player gets ejected and sits on the bench for the rest of the game.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jerkins

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

... defensive player who then intentionally and flagrantly fouled the offensive airborne shooter ...

4-19-4: A flagrant foul may be a personal ... foul of a violent or savage nature ... It may or may not be intentional.

Couldn't flipping an opponent over one's shoulder be considered excessive contact and "not a basketball play", i.e., an intentional foul?

The play in the video looks more like a wrestling play to me. Does anybody have a WWE Rulebook, or a WWE Casebook?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

In NFHS, this would initially be a no-call, because neither the defender nor the offensive player are doing anything wrong.

Disagree. Even if this play doesn't end in the flip, I think you have to come out with either a block or a charge.