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All had some great pre-game advice/ideas. I always add 3 things during my pre-game with new (to working with me) officials.
1. Never, ever, ever, give the ball to a player (IB, FT, etc.) without looking at your partners and the table.................twice. 2. Never, ever, ever, withhold information. ex - If a kid has been warned, tell your partners. 3. Never, ever, ever, begin play with doubt in your head. ex - If you think we should be shooting 2 FT's instead of 1, tell your partners.
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Very true on all these points. If you fail to do No. 1, you might miss substitutes waiting at the table, and make the restart VERY awkward. 2 should be obvious. For Number 3, you might look stupid, but doing that is better than embarrassing yourself by making a correctable error, having to go to the table, and correct the error. An ounce of prevention really is worth a pound of cure.
College officials, how do you do pregame if you know that you have "tweeners" (people who do both college and HS) working your games? What I said earlier was a suggestion, but I'm curious as to how it actually plays out in practice. High school officials, is there any change you make to your pregame if you have a newer varsity official (or two) on your games who may not be as familiar with 3-person or the other finer points that veterans usually take for granted? |
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Safest bet is again, when at a HS venue, discuss HS officiating. When at a college venue, discuss college officiating. Don't try to get in everybody's head. Every summer I work a local Pro-Am that uses NBA rules and mechanics. The 2 NBA officials who oversee the officiating (and occasionally work on the court with us) never bring up HS or college rules/mechanics/signals. They talk to us about NBA rules/mechanics/signals. Only reference to HS or college is "do what your are supposed to do at the level you are working that day".
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Excuse Me While I Whip This Out (Blazing Saddles, 1974) ...
Over 90% of our high school level games use NFHS rules. The other 10% involve private prep schools that use an odd set of hybrid NFHS/NCAA rules (sometimes the coaches don't even know the differences). When we work these private prep school games the "Prep School Handout" always comes out (initiated by either me, or my partner) because both of us need reminders about the rules that we're going to use that night.
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But I know quite a few officials who would be offended if somebody were to assume that they didn't know high school rules and need to be reminded of them just because they also work College ball and vice versa. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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I began a play with a doubt in my mind two seasons ago and it effected a game that should not have gone into overtime, with the offended team losing. Very late in a close game, my partner called a double free throw violation, that I didn't see. He sounded his whistle, announced a "double violation", and announced the penalty. I could tell by his body language and the sound of his voice that he didn't seem 100% sure, but he was a top notch official and I didn't want to question him. I became the administering official and handed the ball to the team that he had announced. Immediately after the game I asked him about the call. He explained what he observed, I politely questioned his call, and we both got out our books and looked it up. Sure enough, he got the call wrong, it wasn't a double violation. As soon as we came to this realization, there was a knock on the door, the offended coach, who lost the game in overtime, politely asked about the play. We had to admit that we screwed up, and we apologized. He surprisingly accepted. I was a bad partner that night. If had questioned my partner at the time, we never would have screwed up.
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I have never needed someone to remind me what the procedures are for an NAIA game compared to a JUCO game that has some different rules in pre-game for example. So why would I need you to remind me of that fact? Now if you want to discuss a very unique difference of that level that you do not normally go by, then I can understand that part. But I do not need you to go through an entire diatribe about what rules are being used. Hell the levels I just mentioned required different shirts to be used. I think if I put the shirt in my bag, I probably am aware of the difference. Peace
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JRut, if you don't believe me, go to any scholastic basketball game in DC or the immediate suburbs, and sit in on the officials' pre-game conference. This may not be the way you personally do things, but this is what I have experienced in every pre-game conference I participated in or sat in on in the DC Metro Area.
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And it appears to not be the way a lot of other people do things based on their experiences either. Honestly, you do not have a lot of experience either, so you seem to be talking from a place of stubbornness rather than general practice. IJS. Peace
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Any other things that you gentlemen (and ladies, if there are any female users or readers of this website) mention in your pre-game discussions? If you get games from other teams on film, you would go over anything that you saw on video. Does anyone use video for the pre-game conference itself? I know from all-access videos of Big 12 and Big 10 officials that officials at the D1 level watch video in their post-game conferences, and NBA officials watch video in their pregame conferences, so I'm curious if any users also do the same things. The only reason I haven't seen this done is because high school games are not often filmed in a way that is accessible to the officials, if at all.
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