Player and Referee Brawl

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich

I call it self-defense.

Shrug.

I'm all for defending yourself.

Watch the video again. What does the official do after being knocked to the ground? He gathers himself, stands up and instead of heading directly to a lockerroom or somewhere safe off the court, gets right up in a kid's face and chest bumps him. A KID.

Walk or jog away, man. Man up, drop the ego and get yourself immediately out of the situation.

The video will back you up 100. Instead, the video shows the official inviting continued violence.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

i'm all for defending yourself.

Watch the video again. What does the official do after being knocked to the ground? He gathers himself, stands up and instead of heading directly to a lockerroom or somewhere safe off the court, gets right up in a kid's face and chest bumps him. A kid.

Walk or jog away, man. Man up, drop the ego and get yourself immediately out of the situation.

The video will back you up 100. Instead, the video shows the official inviting continued violence.

+100

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I'm all for defending yourself.

Watch the video again. What does the official do after being knocked to the ground? He gathers himself, stands up and instead of heading directly to a lockerroom or somewhere safe off the court, gets right up in a kid's face and chest bumps him. A KID.

Walk or jog away, man. Man up, drop the ego and get yourself immediately out of the situation.

The video will back you up 100. Instead, the video shows the official inviting continued violence.

I don't blame the official at all. All those "kids" were bigger than him and assaulted him.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I'm all for defending yourself.

Watch the video again. What does the official do after being knocked to the ground? He gathers himself, stands up and instead of heading directly to a lockerroom or somewhere safe off the court, gets right up in a kid's face and chest bumps him. A KID.

Walk or jog away, man. Man up, drop the ego and get yourself immediately out of the situation.

The video will back you up 100. Instead, the video shows the official inviting continued violence.

Actually, I do not give a damn what he did afterward. If you are assaulted people will lose their minds even for a moment. I have no issues with the situation because he did not appear to start it. And I am sorry have you been to basketball games in these environments? You have a lot of big players that in some cases look much older than kids. Also, this official does not look very old either. He might be a young guy where what he does in his 20s, he is not doing in his 50s.

To each his own. If you want to go away and hope no one fights you, be my guest. I am not taking an ass whoopin for anybody.

Honestly, who cares in the end? I am not working these games anymore in these kinds of settings for these kinds of reasons. And this official for all we know is no more than a guy with a striped shirt, what they pay for BTW.

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually, I do not give a damn what he did afterward. If you are assaulted people will lose their minds even for a moment. I have no issues with the situation because he did not appear to start it. And I am sorry have you been to basketball games in these environments? You have a lot of big players that in some cases look much older than kids. Also, this official does not look very old either. He might be a young guy where what he does in his 20s, he is not doing in his 50s.

To each his own. If you want to go away and hope no one fights you, be my guest. I am not taking an ass whoopin for anybody.

Honestly, who cares in the end? I am not working these games anymore in these kinds of settings for these kinds of reasons. And this official for all we know is no more than a guy with a striped shirt, what they pay for BTW.

Peace

Many times.

My point exactly. Nobody is going to whip my ass because my ass won't be anywhere near someone(s) that wants to try.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Many times.

My point exactly. Nobody is going to whip my ass because my ass won't be anywhere near someone(s) that wants to try.

If you say so. I guess you are going to run out of the building? Not always practical.

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you say so. I guess you are going to run out of the building? Not always practical.

Peace

Officials should immediately seek to put as much space between themselves and any physical assailant(s) as quickly as possible. Doing anything to put gas on the fire (getting up in the face of the attacker) is a huge mistake. Tough guy egos should have been checked at the door. That video is a perfect case study for how *not* to handle yourself as an official in the midst of a brawl.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Officials should immediately seek to put as much space between themselves and any physical assailant(s) as quickly as possible. Doing anything to put gas on the fire (getting up in the face of the attacker) is a huge mistake. Tough guy egos should have been checked at the door. That video is a perfect case study for how *not* to handle yourself as an official in the midst of a brawl.

I would hope any official in such a scenario is not left with you as a partner....

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Officials should immediately seek to put as much space between themselves and any physical assailant(s) as quickly as possible. Doing anything to put gas on the fire (getting up in the face of the attacker) is a huge mistake. Tough guy egos should have been checked at the door. That video is a perfect case study for how *not* to handle yourself as an official in the midst of a brawl.

Spoken like somebody who has never been in a physically threatening situation.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Spoken like somebody who has never been in a physically threatening situation.

Is it?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Officials should immediately seek to put as much space between themselves and any physical assailant(s) as quickly as possible. Doing anything to put gas on the fire (getting up in the face of the attacker) is a huge mistake. Tough guy egos should have been checked at the door. That video is a perfect case study for how *not* to handle yourself as an official in the midst of a brawl.

Agree. You're right on every point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Officials should immediately seek to put as much space between themselves and any physical assailant(s) as quickly as possible. Doing anything to put gas on the fire (getting up in the face of the attacker) is a huge mistake. Tough guy egos should have been checked at the door. That video is a perfect case study for how *not* to handle yourself as an official in the midst of a brawl.

Again, we are not obligated to some professional stance when there is no professional organization involved. This is a glorified playground game. It has little to do with ego. And this is also not a very structured environment. Yes, it has some uniforms, but so does intermural ball at the YMCA. I have known officials that were police officer being threatened where they had to get their gun to stop any threat at the time. And they left the situation or tried to and still had a threat. It is more than ego. It is you use the tools you have at the time.

And the video is not perfect for anything other than a summer league situation. Because during the season there are likely police officers right off the court. I had a fight between teams one time and police, security (that were police) all got involved. I remember a football game in Chicago where they have security at every game and entered the field when players were getting involved with each other. I do not know what this shows other than there was no security and no non-combatants getting involved. IF you are alone you might do many things to get that threat off of you.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually, I do not give a damn what he did afterward. If you are assaulted people will lose their minds even for a moment. I have no issues with the situation because he did not appear to start it. And I am sorry have you been to basketball games in these environments? You have a lot of big players that in some cases look much older than kids. Also, this official does not look very old either. He might be a young guy where what he does in his 20s, he is not doing in his 50s.

To each his own. If you want to go away and hope no one fights you, be my guest. I am not taking an ass whoopin for anybody.

Honestly, who cares in the end? I am not working these games anymore in these kinds of settings for these kinds of reasons. And this official for all we know is no more than a guy with a striped shirt, what they pay for BTW.

Peace

I am with you and am so tired of people acting like it's so outrageous for us to get emotional every once in awhile when these high schoolers and "coaches" (I use that term lightly for this kind of basketball) cross the line.

It makes me laugh how these travel ball teams and tournament directors want better officiating yet don't want to pay up and only use 2-person crews. And then when good varsity or college officials come work the games, they get upset when they can't get away with what usual officials for these tournaments let them get away with.

[JRutledge]

I've been to a few camps where travel/AAU was the tournament being used and coaches had to be restrained or removed by police several times with 3 officials on the floor and college or high school officials working. So even when they get "better officials" they still act a fool. So it does not matter what we do or what they get, the environment makes this OK. Again the 3rd incident in Georgia that got out of hand.

Peace

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I've been to a few camps where travel/AAU was the tournament being used and coaches had to be restrained or removed by police several times with 3 officials on the floor and college or high school officials working. So even when they get "better officials" they still act a fool. So it does not matter what we do or what they get, the environment makes this OK. Again the 3rd incident in Georgia that got out of hand.

Peace

I think sometimes the coaches used to weak officials they can bully have a hard time when they get the refs who actually know what they are doing. They are used to getting away with things and used to their players getting away with things. When those things get called, the knuckleheads have trouble adjusting.