NFHS Update

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2018-19 Rules Comments

An EXCEPTION added to the backcourt violation (9-9-1): To ensure that an offensive team is not unfairly penalized when the ball is deflected by the defense from the frontcourt to the backcourt. This exception allows the offense to recover the ball (that still has frontcourt status) in the backcourt without penalty. This also makes the play situation on the deflected pass consistent with other codes with very similar team control and backcourt rules

If they didn't fix that stupid "last to touch, first to touch" where the defender deflects it off the offensive player's leg, then that's too bad.

Nobody playing or coaching the game wants this to be a violation, although I think some officials like this rule so they can show everyone how smart they are.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

If they didn't fix that stupid "last to touch, first to touch" where the defender deflects it off the offensive player's leg, then that's too bad.

Nobody playing or coaching the game wants this to be a violation, although I think some officials like this rule so they can show everyone how smart they are.

Based on the wording we've seen so far, that is not addressed, so it is not the same as the NCAA rule change last season.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Based on the wording we've seen so far, that is not addressed, so it is not the same as the NCAA rule change last season.

It comes down to the interpretations, but it looks like they whiffed, as usual.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Based on the wording we've seen so far, that is not addressed, so it is not the same as the NCAA rule change last season.

Well, I do not disagree at all based on what we have been shown. But something tells me their intent was to take on the NCAA rule but did not (as usual) take on the exact language.

I guess this is year 1 of a three year fix.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

If they didn't fix that stupid "last to touch, first to touch" where the defender deflects it off the offensive player's leg, then that's too bad.

Nobody playing or coaching the game wants this to be a violation, although I think some officials like this rule so they can show everyone how smart they are.

I think they did fix it. Of course, all they really had to do was retract the interpretation, but they can't make it that simple. It was never a violation before the interpretation and should have never been....it made no sense at all.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think they did fix it. Of course, all they really had to do was retract the interpretation, but they can't make it that simple. It was never a violation before the interpretation and should have never been....it made no sense at all.

No, I meant the rule has always been broken.

If I knock it out of your hands and it ends up in the backcourt, it shouldn't matter if it hits your leg or not, you should be able to retrieve it.

Stupid, stupid rule. I never really get all wound up on rules, but I do on this one.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

No, I meant the rule has always been broken.

If I knock it out of your hands and it ends up in the backcourt, it shouldn't matter if it hits your leg or not, you should be able to retrieve it.

Stupid, stupid rule. I never really get all wound up on rules, but I do on this one.

OK, i understand you now...and agree with you, for the most part.

But, do you hold the same idea about a ball that is knocked out of a player's hands, and off of that player's legs then OOB? Should the offense not be subject to that?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... a ball that is knocked out of a player's hands, and off of that player's legs then OOB? Should the offense not be subject to that?

A1 is dribbling the ball. B1 deflects the ball away from A1. Ball is heading toward out of bounds and hits A2 who happens to be (momentarily, and legally) standing out of bounds. Did B1 cause the ball to go out of bounds, or did A2 cause the ball to go out of bounds?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK, i understand you now...and agree with you, for the most part.

But, do you hold the same idea about a ball that is knocked out of a player's hands, and off of that player's legs then OOB? Should the offense not be subject to that?

One has nothing to do with the other.

If the defense deflects a pass and I'm standing OOB when I catch it, it's OOB on me.

If the defense deflects a pass and I'm standing in the BC when I catch it, it is not a BC violation against me.

[JRutledge]

The ball is not automatically dead if the ball goes into the BC or touches the BC. The ball is dead if it goes outside the boundary. That to me is a huge difference.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

One has nothing to do with the other.

If the defense deflects a pass and I'm standing OOB when I catch it, it's OOB on me.

If the defense deflects a pass and I'm standing in the BC when I catch it, it is not a BC violation against me.

Agree...but, conceptually, backcourt is like OOB for the offense with the exception that the ball in the backcourt remains "live" for the defense to play it but not for the offense when the offense "causes" the ball to go to the backcourt (be being the last to touch it).