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That is most definitely incorrect.
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The play below posted by JRut is an example where judgement is required. This is a objective-based call in HS as the offense was last to touch in the FC. It seems like more of a judgement call at the college level as the official must determine when (and where on the court) PC is re-established. |
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In the "old" NF interpretation, it was only one type of play and that was when the ball was touched and a player was airborne jumping from the FC and contacted the ball and landed in the BC. That is not what the NF is saying at all based on their current language they are using. I am not seeing some drastic difference. Peace
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Here are some NCAA Approved Rulings on the topic.
They backed up their position, so not sure what is subjective? A.R. 222. The ball is at the disposal of Team A for a throw-in. A1 attempts to throw the inbounds pass to A2, who is located in his front court near the division line. 1. A1’s pass is deflected by B1. A2 leaves the playing court in his front court and while airborne, controls the ball, and then lands with one or both feet in the backcourt. 2. A1’s throw-in pass is deflected by B1. The ball bounces into Team A’s front court. While the ball is bouncing in Team A’s front court, it is deflected into Team A’s backcourt, where A3 retrieves it. 3. A1’s throw-in pass is deflected by A2, who fumbles it into the backcourt. A2 then goes into the backcourt and recovers the fumble. RULING 1: Legal play. Since a Team B player deflected A1’s inbounds pass, when A2 catches the ball in the air and lands with one or both feet in the backcourt, B1’s deflection caused the ball to go into Team A’s backcourt, and a Team A player is permitted to be the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. (Rule 9-12.1 through .3, .5 through .7 and .9 through .10, and 7-6.5) 2: Legal. This is not a backcourt violation since neither player nor team control had been established in the front court. (Rule 9-12.4) 3: Legal. This is not a backcourt violation since neither player nor team control had been established in the front court. (Rule 9-12.4, and 9-12.1 through .3, .5 through .7 and .9 through .10) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.R. 223. A1 is in possession of the ball in the front court and throws a pass to A2, who is located near the division line. A1’s pass is errant. A2 leaves the playing court with both feet in an attempt to prevent the ball from going into the backcourt. While in the air, A2 gains possession of the ball and throws it into the playing court, where it strikes the division line. The ball returns to the front court, where A3 recovers the ball before it is touched by an opponent. RULING: Team A has committed a backcourt violation. The official shall blow the whistle for the backcourt violation when the ball is touched by A3 in the front court after it touched the division line. Team A had control of the ball in its front court and the ball was last touched by Team A without a deflection by Team B before going into the backcourt. (Rule 9-12.4 and 9-12.1 through .3, .5 through .7 and .9 through .10) Peace
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2018-19 Rules Comments
An EXCEPTION added to the backcourt violation (9-9-1): To ensure that an offensive team is not unfairly penalized when the ball is deflected by the defense from the frontcourt to the backcourt. This exception allows the offense to recover the ball (that still has frontcourt status) in the backcourt without penalty. This also makes the play situation on the deflected pass consistent with other codes with very similar team control and backcourt rules |
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Under 2017-18 NFHS rules, if players from both teams touch the ball before going to the BC, we have to know who touched it last to determine a BC violation. In NCAA, we don't have to worry about that detail. Again, I work both rule sets. Never once heard a college official complain about the new rule at the college level. I have heard plenty of college officials praise the new rule.
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