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Friend has a game Saturday. Getting a little heated and the home point guard 100 lbs wet is coming across the 3 point line and tosses the ball to the corner. He sees his defender coming up and is slowing down to pick him up. He passes and runs over this bigger defender and lays him out on the floor.
From what I have learned from you guys I swear I have only two choices. My friend calls a live ball technicl foul. As I look through the list of like 10ish situations or rules none of them match for a live ball T. Is this not either a intentional foul or a flagarant technical foul (considered a fighting act) correct? Thanks in advance for all your help.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 10:51am
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From your description of what occurred, I don't get a clear picture of the contact, but the call could be an intentional personal foul, a flagrant personal foul, or simply a team control foul.
Fighting? I don't get this from your post; we would need more details. Technical for the contact? Not during a live ball.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 11:53am
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A technical foul for contact while the ball is live? Your partner is a moron.
This is a personal foul. Without seeing video, it's hard to know whether it was just a garden-variety pass-and-crash play (TC foul) or something more. I find it hard to believe that a 100-lb. point guard could "lay out" a bigger defender. It doesn't sound anywhere close to a fighting act. Last edited by SC Official; Mon May 07, 2018 at 11:55am.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 12:04pm
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Sounds like a push on the offense. If it looks like he targeted and "lowered" the shoulder, and depending the severity of the contact, may also be a flagrant and an ejection.
I would not, personally, go with intentional here.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 12:40pm
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So I am not crazy when looking at the list of personal technical that his doesnt match unless its a flagarant.
The guy is coming up the court. Passes over mid court passes the arc then sends the ball to the corner. Looks up see the defender slowly approaching 5-7 feet away. Take 2 long steps preps for a tackle where he noticeable drops his center of gravity and targets his chest sending the kid flying backwards to the floor. If I see the offensive player not aware or unable to avoid the defender I might have a pass and crash team control foul. If I have had some issues with these two and I think one kid wants to teach the other a lesson by shoulder dropping a tackle into the player I might go Flagarant. I cant go normal technical right. It is clearly not a basketball ball player to drop some chest/shoulder and bull dozer. Thats sounds like an intentioal foul.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 12:48pm
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I am going 4-19-3 d and disqualifying the kid too.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 01:23pm
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 You can't go with a technical foul, period. Any foul committed on an opponent that involves contact while the ball is live is a personal foul, by definition. Assessing a T here like your partner did is misapplying a rule, and justifying it is just making s*it up. All fouls are either personal or technical.
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Mon May 07, 2018, 01:54pm
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- nothing - Team Control foul - Intentional Personal foul - Flagrant Personal foul You have been around too long to be even considering a technical foul for this play.
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Tue May 08, 2018, 02:10pm
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Tue May 08, 2018, 02:32pm
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Having that knowledge means that when an unusual play happens involving live ball contact, an official already knows his options. It doesn't matter if they've seen the play before or not.
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Tue May 08, 2018, 02:43pm
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