10-4-7 Sit

[deecee]

Sounds like a push on the offense. If it looks like he targeted and "lowered" the shoulder, and depending the severity of the contact, may also be a flagrant and an ejection.

I would not, personally, go with intentional here.

[BigT]

So I am not crazy when looking at the list of personal technical that his doesnt match unless its a flagarant.

The guy is coming up the court. Passes over mid court passes the arc then sends the ball to the corner. Looks up see the defender slowly approaching 5-7 feet away. Take 2 long steps preps for a tackle where he noticeable drops his center of gravity and targets his chest sending the kid flying backwards to the floor.

If I see the offensive player not aware or unable to avoid the defender I might have a pass and crash team control foul.

If I have had some issues with these two and I think one kid wants to teach the other a lesson by shoulder dropping a tackle into the player I might go Flagarant.

I cant go normal technical right. It is clearly not a basketball ball player to drop some chest/shoulder and bull dozer. Thats sounds like an intentioal foul.

[Valley Man]

I am going 4-19-3 d and disqualifying the kid too.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BigT

So I am not crazy when looking at the list of personal technical that his doesnt match unless its a flagarant.

The guy is coming up the court. Passes over mid court passes the arc then sends the ball to the corner. Looks up see the defender slowly approaching 5-7 feet away. Take 2 long steps preps for a tackle where he noticeable drops his center of gravity and targets his chest sending the kid flying backwards to the floor.

If I see the offensive player not aware or unable to avoid the defender I might have a pass and crash team control foul.

If I have had some issues with these two and I think one kid wants to teach the other a lesson by shoulder dropping a tackle into the player I might go Flagarant.

I cant go normal technical right. It is clearly not a basketball ball player to drop some chest/shoulder and bull dozer. Thats sounds like an intentioal foul.

What is "flagarant"?

You can't go with a technical foul, period. Any foul committed on an opponent that involves contact while the ball is live is a personal foul, by definition. Assessing a T here like your partner did is misapplying a rule, and justifying it is just making s*it up.

All fouls are either personal or technical.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigT

So I am not crazy when looking at the list of personal technical that his doesnt match unless its a flagarant.

The guy is coming up the court. Passes over mid court passes the arc then sends the ball to the corner. Looks up see the defender slowly approaching 5-7 feet away. Take 2 long steps preps for a tackle where he noticeable drops his center of gravity and targets his chest sending the kid flying backwards to the floor.

If I see the offensive player not aware or unable to avoid the defender I might have a pass and crash team control foul.

If I have had some issues with these two and I think one kid wants to teach the other a lesson by shoulder dropping a tackle into the player I might go Flagarant.

I cant go normal technical right. It is clearly not a basketball ball player to drop some chest/shoulder and bull dozer. Thats sounds like an intentioal foul.

Contact during a live ball is never a technical under NFHS rules. Your choices are:

- nothing
- Team Control foul
- Intentional Personal foul
- Flagrant Personal foul

You have been around too long to be even considering a technical foul for this play.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Contact during a live ball is never a technical under NFHS rules. Your choices are:

- nothing
- Team Control foul
- Intentional Personal foul
- Flagrant Personal foul

You have been around too long to be even considering a technical foul for this play.

This wasn't my play it was a friends. 99% of referees dont even have an idea of their proper options because this play happens 1 in 1000 games. Then it takes time to see it and apply the rules. I was pretty sure the answer yet I wanted to double check here. So I didnt make it more clear I was here to discuss and help people learn. I am glad you feel like you know me and know what I should and should not be asking. Thats awsome!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigT

This wasn't my play it was a friends. 99% of referees dont even have an idea of their proper options because this play happens 1 in 1000 games. Then it takes time to see it and apply the rules. I was pretty sure the answer yet I wanted to double check here. So I didnt make it more clear I was here to discuss and help people learn. I am glad you feel like you know me and know what I should and should not be asking. Thats awsome!

I assumed that after 6 years on this site you've seen a plethora of posts that have stated that live ball contact is a personal foul of some type, and never a technical foul.

Having that knowledge means that when an unusual play happens involving live ball contact, an official already knows his options. It doesn't matter if they've seen the play before or not.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BigT

This wasn't my play it was a friends. 99% of referees dont even have an idea of their proper options because this play happens 1 in 1000 games. Then it takes time to see it and apply the rules. I was pretty sure the answer yet I wanted to double check here. So I didnt make it more clear I was here to discuss and help people learn. I am glad you feel like you know me and know what I should and should not be asking. Thats awsome!

I’ve seen a bunch of pass and crash plays, some severe that I considered upgrading beyond a common foul. Never once did I consider a technical foul.