NCAAW Louisville/Miss St

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by bucky

I wondered about the ramifications of that had the put-back gone in the hoop. That blatant shove got her the chance for the put-back. Kantner right there as C and passed on both plays.

Dee wasn't working this game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Dee wasn't working this game.

She only works the finals.

[Pantherdreams]

Tech - Good call. My only issue is that the player gets a tech for expressing frustration by slapping the floor and immediately gets T'd while the coach can run down the sideline screaming profanity in response to both calls and gets a pass. Not saying its a male-female thing, but clearly a player-coach distinction in terms of rope that I don't believe is a good look.

Last play - Normally I would lean foul here, even given time and score. HOWEVER, based on what had been no called involving both those players and others over the game and specifically the last 5 minutes, calling a foul there would have been inconsistent with the standard created by the crew over the course of the game involving contact at the rim and involving bigs. So I'm ok with the no call in that context.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

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Last play - Normally I would lean foul here, even given time and score. HOWEVER, based on what had been no called involving both those players and others over the game and specifically the last 5 minutes, calling a foul there would have been inconsistent with the standard created by the crew over the course of the game involving contact at the rim and involving bigs. So I'm ok with the no call in that context.

Great point that has not been taken into consideration by anybody else's responses. I didn't see the game so I know I would have no idea how that no-call fit in with how the game was called overall.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Great point that has not been taken into consideration by anybody else's responses. I didn't see the game so I know I would have no idea how that no-call fit in with how the game was called overall.

Same for me...didn't see the game, just saw this play. If they'd been letting contact like that go all game, it would be hard to call that. But, I bet they called a lot less contact as fouls many times too.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Tech - Good call. My only issue is that the player gets a tech for expressing frustration by slapping the floor and immediately gets T'd while the coach can run down the sideline screaming profanity in response to both calls and gets a pass. Not saying its a male-female thing, but clearly a player-coach distinction in terms of rope that I don't believe is a good look.

Last play - Normally I would lean foul here, even given time and score. HOWEVER, based on what had been no called involving both those players and others over the game and specifically the last 5 minutes, calling a foul there would have been inconsistent with the standard created by the crew over the course of the game involving contact at the rim and involving bigs. So I'm ok with the no call in that context.

Agree 100% on your comment about the Tech. Wish there was more accountability on the coaches for this behavior.

Looking only at that clip - 100% foul. Not knowing if this wasn't called throughout the game could change my mind.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Tech - Good call. My only issue is that the player gets a tech for expressing frustration by slapping the floor and immediately gets T'd while the coach can run down the sideline screaming profanity in response to both calls and gets a pass. Not saying its a male-female thing, but clearly a player-coach distinction in terms of rope that I don't believe is a good look.

Coaches are adults and running their team. Players are not on any level with me as an official and certainly not with that kind of display. And maybe there is some other element to this, but a woman made the original call and another woman called the T.

Peace

[johnny d]

I do not put of with much nonsense from either coaches or players, but I definitely put up with much less nonsense from players than I will from a coach.

[Pantherdreams]

I agree coaches generally get more leeway than players. ie. I'm not going to have players disagreeing with calls vocally and visibly, where as in the heat of the moment I may not hear or notice a coach OR choose to put blinders on if its not ongoing or over the top.

In this case I just don't see it as player vs coach rope. I've got a participant who is gesturing their frustration visibly for the crowd so I get that: T. I've then got a coach running down the sideline visibly gesturing their frustration to the crowd while announcing to the crowd, my crew and the international viewing audience that my call is bu11 shi# repeatedly. IMO coach is well past 30 Shade's of Grey threshold (rope and blinders are put away) and that should be a T every time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I agree coaches generally get more leeway than players. ie. I'm not going to have players disagreeing with calls vocally and visibly, where as in the heat of the moment I may not hear or notice a coach OR choose to put blinders on if its not ongoing or over the top.

In this case I just don't see it as player vs coach rope. I've got a participant who is gesturing their frustration visibly for the crowd so I get that: T. I've then got a coach running down the sideline visibly gesturing their frustration to the crowd while announcing to the crowd, my crew and the international viewing audience that my call is bu11 shi# repeatedly. IMO coach is well past 30 Shade's of Grey threshold (rope and blinders are put away) and that should be a T every time.

We all have the lines that we wish not to be crossed. It is possible that this would not even bring any attention to the officials considering where they are as it would others. You might just have a different line of demarcation. I did not see anything the coach did that was over the top. I expect a certain level of reaction to a play, but how long does it go or what is said? I have no idea what the coach said. I know a few years ago when they got to the title game against UConn, the Louisville coach got a T for complaining. So I am going to assume he did not go too far in the minds of the officials or he was so far away they were not paying that much attention at the moment. But a player slamming onto the floor in disgust is quite different.

Peace

[bucky]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Dee wasn't working this game.

You are correct. It was Mattingly. Got confused on who owned that pony tail.