NCAA Vid Request - Sat 3/17 - Kent. vs Buff - BC violation?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

Player whose team was in control of ball had 2 feet in front court and touched the ball while being there, giving ball FC status also. Player then went into BC and was the first to touch the ball. Based on that, were the conditions met for a BC violation? lol If not, correct me as I want to get it correct.

The player was dribbling the ball and the ball had never touched the floor in the FC, so it remains in the backcourt. All 3 points (both feet AND the ball) have to be in the frontcourt before the ball gains FC status during a dribble.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The player was dribbling the ball and the ball had never touched the floor in the FC, so it remains in the backcourt. All 3 points (both feet AND the ball) have to be in the frontcourt before the ball gains FC status during a dribble.

See OP.

He was not dribbling as it was deflected by the defender. During that moment, while the ball was not in control, the offensive player crossed the division line with both feet. He then reached back and touched the ball, giving the ball FC status. Correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

See OP.

He was not dribbling as it was deflected by the defender. During that moment, while the ball was not in control, the offensive player crossed the division line with both feet. He then reached back and touched the ball, giving the ball FC status. Correct?

He was dribbling from the backcourt to the frontcourt. A deflection by a defender does not necessarily end the dribble. He merely continued the dribble after the deflection.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He was dribbling from the backcourt to the frontcourt. A deflection by a defender does not necessarily end the dribble. He merely continued the dribble after the deflection.

I had him no longer in control because of the deflection. We will have to agree to disagree.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

I had him no longer in control because of the deflection. We will have to agree to disagree.

Control is a matter of judgement and I could see either opinion. If there is any doubt as to control, I'd default to not calling a violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

I had him no longer in control because of the deflection. We will have to agree to disagree.

If the defense deflects the ball, the offense can touch the ball anywhere and still regain player control in the back court. That's the rule.

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[bucky]

If I recall, defender's status was the offensive team's BC. Really need the video. It was really close and difficult to officiate on a technical level. Bang bang right at the division line.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

If I recall, defender's status was the offensive team's BC. Really need the video. It was really close and difficult to officiate on a technical level. Bang bang right at the division line.

I don't think that would matter.

[ByRule]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If the defense deflects the ball, the offense can touch the ball anywhere and still regain player control in the back court. That's the rule.

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Raymond is correct.
NCAA M and NFHS are different- NCAA M changed rule on a deflected ball by the defense while the ball has front court status anyone can retrieve if the ball goes in the backcourt. Regardless of last to touch first to touch.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ByRule

Raymond is correct.
NCAA M and NFHS are different- NCAA M changed rule on a deflected ball by the defense while the ball has front court status anyone can retrieve if the ball goes in the backcourt. Regardless of last to touch first to touch.

In the OP (and based on subsequent posts) the ball *may not* have been in the FC when it was deflected -- so, based on this (and my subsequent reading of the rule), it may still have been a BC violation (depending, perhaps, on the loss of control / dribble issue).

In any event, if it takes all this to decide, then the official was correct -- no matter what the zapruder film shows.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by ByRule

Raymond is correct.
NCAA M and NFHS are different- NCAA M changed rule on a deflected ball by the defense while the ball has front court status anyone can retrieve if the ball goes in the backcourt. Regardless of last to touch first to touch.

As Bob said, ball was deflected while defender in BC and ball in BC. Rule change irrelevant as ball never had FC status until offensive player touched it. Really need that video.