NCAA Vid Request - Sat 3/17 - Kent. vs Buff - BC violation?

[bucky]

With 15:57 to go in the game, there is a dribbler reacting to a defender at the division line. In real time, I say no, but in replaying and going frame by frame, I got BC violation. Official gave some sort of mechanic indicating, I think, that the play was legal.

Dribbler has ball deflected in BC at division line, with ball loose, former dribbler crosses division line with both feet, reaches back over the division line, and touches ball in BC, still with both feet in front court. Player then goes to BC and gains control of ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

Dribbler has ball deflected in BC at division line, with ball loose, former dribbler crosses division line with both feet, reaches back over the division line, and touches ball in BC, still with both feet in front court. Player then goes to BC and gains control of ball.

That doesn't sound like a violation to me under NCAAM rules (as I understand them).

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That doesn't sound like a violation to me under NCAAM rules (as I understand them).

Player whose team was in control of ball had 2 feet in front court and touched the ball while being there, giving ball FC status also. Player then went into BC and was the first to touch the ball. Based on that, were the conditions met for a BC violation? lol If not, correct me as I want to get it correct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

Player whose team was in control of ball had 2 feet in front court and touched the ball while being there, giving ball FC status also. Player then went into BC and was the first to touch the ball. Based on that, were the conditions met for a BC violation? lol If not, correct me as I want to get it correct.

The player was dribbling the ball and the ball had never touched the floor in the FC, so it remains in the backcourt. All 3 points (both feet AND the ball) have to be in the frontcourt before the ball gains FC status during a dribble.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The player was dribbling the ball and the ball had never touched the floor in the FC, so it remains in the backcourt. All 3 points (both feet AND the ball) have to be in the frontcourt before the ball gains FC status during a dribble.

See OP.

He was not dribbling as it was deflected by the defender. During that moment, while the ball was not in control, the offensive player crossed the division line with both feet. He then reached back and touched the ball, giving the ball FC status. Correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

See OP.

He was not dribbling as it was deflected by the defender. During that moment, while the ball was not in control, the offensive player crossed the division line with both feet. He then reached back and touched the ball, giving the ball FC status. Correct?

He was dribbling from the backcourt to the frontcourt. A deflection by a defender does not necessarily end the dribble. He merely continued the dribble after the deflection.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

Player whose team was in control of ball had 2 feet in front court and touched the ball while being there, giving ball FC status also. Player then went into BC and was the first to touch the ball. Based on that, were the conditions met for a BC violation? lol If not, correct me as I want to get it correct.

Where was the defender who deflected the ball? NCAAM rules have some component about "the offense can be the last to touch in the FC, if the ball is deflected by the defense" type rule (I am not up on the specifics).

[Raymond]

Bumping to see if Jeff can find the play.

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[JRutledge]

Peace

[bucky]

Perfect, can't wait to hear from everybody. Very close but I am going with BC violation. Offensive player, not dribbling, has 2 feet in his FC, reaches and touches ball (giving ball FC status), and ball lands in BC where same player is first to touch it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Peace

He never dribbled in the front Court.

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[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

He never dribbled in the front Court.

What is your point? There is no requirement of dribbling in the FC for a BC violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

What is your point? There is no requirement of dribbling in the FC for a BC violation.

On this play there is.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

What is your point? There is no requirement of dribbling in the FC for a BC violation.

If you have an interrupted dribble and you never established the ball in the FC, it can matter in this situation.

Now the question does him not dribbling in the FC matter in this specific play. I think there is a case to be made that this could be a violation if you feel the play was with a FC player making the ball touch the BC. But I think that is a stretch. The defender tipped the ball away which allows for no longer have a cheap violation.

Peace