Pre season coaches meeting

[nolanjj68]

Originally Posted by ODog

As a throwaway line, diarrhea of the mouth, agreed. But if you clearly direct it at me in a loud, suggestive fashion, absolutely a T. I've called that in varsity boys and will continue to do so.

Agreed. Not sure why anyone here would say it's not T worthy. I'm sure everyone here is seeing it more and more. I know I am and I find warning the coach and then T-ing the player or bench if necessary shuts it right down.

I just tell the coach "Coach, tell your players we are not doing the AND ONE on every shot." Most of them handle it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by nolanjj68

... not sure why anyone here would say it's not T worthy ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... only under extreme circumstances.

If it's directed at the official as a serious complaint about a foul not being called, then it may be an unsporting issue, and handled like any other unsporting issue (oral warning, written warning (bench), technical foul). But around here the statement is often an automatic response from players, substitutes, and fans, that there may have been some contact, but after being said, they just move on and play the game.

Yes, it is possible that in extreme circumstances, it can be unsporting, but around here it has become so common place that it often doesn't even register as an irritant anymore. Sometimes I just smile, and shake my head, sometimes I just ignore.

[LRZ]

Oddly, PA's pre-season new-rules/POEs meeting is only mandatory for varsity coaches, not JV or middle school. I don't think sub-varsity coaches are even informed about it.

[nolanjj68]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If it's directed at the official as a serious complaint about a foul not being called, then it may be an unsporting issue, and handled like any other unsporting issue (oral warning, written warning (bench), technical foul). But around here the statement is often an automatic response from players, substitutes, and fans, that there may have been some contact, but after being said, they just move on and play the game.

Yes, it is possible that in extreme circumstances, it can be unsporting, but around here it has become so common place that it often doesn't even register as an irritant anymore. Sometimes I just smile, and shake my head, sometimes I just ignore.

I ignore if it's once in a while. But I have had games where literally players are saying it, or screaming it after every. single. shot. So I am specifically referring to that scenario.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by nolanjj68

... screaming it ...

Yes, I guess that this can be a problem. We just don't see that around here on the varsity high school level. Players just say it (like Pavlov's dog) and immediately get back on defense, since the ball is still in play after a made basket. If a player decides to spend time screaming at an official rather than getting back on defense, it isn't going to be official that takes care of business, it will be the coach, as in, "Take a seat on the bench".

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Players just say it (like Pavlov's dog) and immediately get back on defense, since the ball is still in play after a made basket.

But then, I've never noticed a correlation between the shot actually going in the basket and the player saying "and one" . . .

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

But then, I've never noticed a correlation between the shot actually going in the basket and the player saying "and one" . . .

If the shot doesn't go in the player still has to get back on defense, not much time to scream at me (unless the ball goes out of bounds, or something else like that).

I get a kick out of players saying "And one", then I decide to call the foul (not because of what the player said, but because I was patient with my call, and then the ball falls off the rim. I feel like saying, "Do you still want just one free throw?", but, of course, I'm much more professional than that. Professional is my middle name. Billy Professional Mac. Yep. That's me.