Screening

[UNIgiantslayers]

I had about 30 seconds to watch between classes and didn’t get a great look. From my one look, I thought maybe there was contact by screeners knee. Upon second viewing, that was incorrect. My apologies for inconveniencing Jenkins with my idiotic quick take.

[deecee]

there is no rule that says contact with an offensive players shoulder is a foul on the offensive player. all he did was turn to avoid the contact (which was pretty hard IMO). There is no expectation that he stand there and take it like a "man" (or woman).

[bucky]

On bit of a side note....

Generally speaking, there has to be contact for there to be a foul. Given that concept, I think there should be reform that penalizes illegal things that don't have contact, but affect the defense. This is close to being a good example. If someone sets a screen with their feet wider than deemed by the rules, they should be penalized, specifically if it affects the defense. If there is contact, the call is easy. Now, if the defense runs, because of the wide stance, in an adverse pattern to avoid contact, I think the screener should be penalized. I'm thinking violation. Without contact, we have excessive elbow swinging being a violation. Why not a new one for an illegal screen without contact.

Stupid? Genius? Other acts that might be treated similarly?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

On bit of a side note....

Generally speaking, there has to be contact for there to be a foul. Given that concept, I think there should be reform that penalizes illegal things that don't have contact, but affect the defense. This is close to being a good example. If someone sets a screen with their feet wider than deemed by the rules, they should be penalized, specifically if it affects the defense. If there is contact, the call is easy. Now, if the defense runs, because of the wide stance, in an adverse pattern to avoid contact, I think the screener should be penalized. I'm thinking violation. Without contact, we have excessive elbow swinging being a violation. Why not a new one for an illegal screen without contact.

Stupid? Genius? Other acts that might be treated similarly?

What about a player attempting to block a shot such that the shooter has to adjust to get around it. If not for that, the defender may have very well hit the shooter's arm. Are we calling something on that because the shooter had to adjust and, in the process of doing so, avoiding creating a foul on the defender and missed the shot?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What about a player attempting to block a shot such that the shooter has to adjust to get around it. If not for that, the defender may have very well hit the shooter's arm. Are we calling something on that because the shooter had to adjust and, in the process of doing so, avoiding creating a foul on the defender and missed the shot?

That is a move by the defense, not the offense. I am discussing an illegal screen by the offense.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

That is a move by the defense, not the offense. I am discussing an illegal screen by the offense.

The point remains. If we're going to call what-ifs, where does it stop?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The point remains. If we're going to call what-ifs, where does it stop?

Not sure what you mean. It stops when a player does something illegal that negatively impacts another player. Your previous play described something that was legal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

there is no rule that says contact with an offensive players shoulder is a foul on the offensive player. all he did was turn to avoid the contact (which was pretty hard IMO). There is no expectation that he stand there and take it like a "man" (or woman).

You don't avoid contact by turning into the object that is coming at you.

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[scrounge]

Defensive foul. Screener didn't turn his shoulder into the defender or initiate contact in any way, simply turned to brace for the train heading his way.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You don't avoid contact by turning into the object that is coming at you.

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I think we watched 2 different videos. The contact was happening no matter what. The offensive player didn't turn into the defender. That defender was making a beeline to the screen, and had no idea the screen was even there.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by deecee

I think we watched 2 different videos. The contact was happening no matter what. The offensive player didn't turn into the defender. That defender was making a beeline to the screen, and had no idea the screen was even there.

Exactly. The screener knew he was going to get trucked and get the defender's head right in his chin, so he turned his head and shoulders to brace himself. This is not an illegal screen.