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Big_Blue_Wannabe Mon Mar 05, 2018 09:40pm

Screening
 
Whatcha got on this? And why??

https://youtu.be/eDBuxgrZ52k

zm1283 Mon Mar 05, 2018 09:45pm

Nothing.

Screener gave plenty of time and distance. Turned his torso to absorb contact. The rule book even states that on a blind screen the player being screened may not see the screener in time to avoid contact and the collision might be severe but should be ruled incidental.

If you feel like the defensive player saw the screener and displaced him, push on the defense.

johnny d Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:31pm

Illegal screen. Turning of the torso may have been to absorb contact, but he turned such that his torso (right shoulder) was moving forward into the defender at the time of the screen.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1018201)
Illegal screen. Turning of the torso may have been to absorb contact, but he turned such that his torso (right shoulder) was moving forward into the defender at the time of the screen.

That is really splitting hairs.

Despite the turn, even if it was just a bit towards the opponent. I see that turn as a movement to protect himself from getting crushed. He even stepped away with the left foot.

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 1018196)
The rule book even states that on a blind screen the player being screened may not see the screener in time to avoid contact and the collision might be severe but should be ruled incidental.

If you feel like the defensive player saw the screener and displaced him, push on the defense.


This wasn't a blind screen, the defender was running forward right at it. Just because he had is head turned doesn't make it blind. It just means he wasn't looking where he was going. A blind screen is one set outside of the visual field and visual field is defined as behind the screened player.

Push on the defender.

Randa16 Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:18pm

I am calling him for illegal screen. It’s going to be a nightmare trying to sell that to a coach.

JRutledge Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:26pm

Embedding is your friend.
 
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Originally Posted by Big_Blue_Wannabe (Post 1018195)
Whatcha got on this? And why??

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I am calling a foul on the defender. The screener was just trying to protect himself. Nothing hard to sell, he has a right to prepare for contact. And he did not turn directly into him.

Peace

crosscountry55 Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1018205)
I am calling him for illegal screen. Itís going to be a nightmare trying to sell that to a coach.



Um. No. Bad rationale.

Nothing by the book, but if youíre in the camp of ďgotta call somethingĒ (which I probably would be here), itís a push on the defender. To say he displaced the legal screener is an understatement.

Not hard to sell to the defenderís coach at all. Screener stood there like a tree. He might not be happy but Iím keeping that conversation very short and weíre moving on.


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zm1283 Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1018204)
That is really splitting hairs.

Despite the turn, even if it was just a bit towards the opponent. I see that turn as a movement to protect himself from getting crushed. He even stepped away with the left foot.




This wasn't a blind screen, the defender was running forward right at it. Just because he had is head turned doesn't make it blind. It just means he wasn't looking where he was going. A blind screen is one set outside of the visual field and visual field is defined as behind the screened player.

Push on the defender.

Now that I watch it again, you're right. Push on the defender.

Randa16 Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1018207)
Um. No. Bad rationale.

Nothing by the book, but if you’re in the camp of “gotta call something” (which I probably would be here), it’s a push on the defender. To say he displaced the legal screener is an understatement.

Not hard to sell to the defender’s coach at all. Screener stood there like a tree. He might not be happy but I’m keeping that conversation very short and we’re moving on.


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I still believe it was a illegal screen just my take. Not scared to piss off a coach just saying it would be a hard sell.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:35am

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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1018205)
I am calling him for illegal screen. Itís going to be a nightmare trying to sell that to a coach.

Let me understand your "logic". A1 sets a legal Screen, but you are going call a Blocking Foul on A1 because you do not want to deal with the "nightmare" of selling a Charging Foul against B1 to B-HC? :eek:

You do not want to know what I think of that kind of "illogical" thinking. By my standards, I am speechless right now.

MTD, Sr.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 06, 2018 01:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1018211)
I still believe it was a illegal screen just my take. Not scared to piss off a coach just saying it would be a hard sell.

By what rule is that an illegal screen?

Randa16 Tue Mar 06, 2018 08:16am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1018212)
Let me understand your "logic". A1 sets a legal Screen, but you are going call a Blocking Foul on A1 because you do not want to deal with the "nightmare" of selling a Charging Foul against B1 to B-HC? :eek:

You do not want to know what I think of that kind of "illogical" thinking. By my standards, I am speechless right now.

MTD, Sr.

Look I like this site and most guys here seem nice. I have no problem having a discussion but not going to be treated like I am beneath someone. I clearly stated after that saying I feel it was an illegal screen and have NO PROBLEM explaining that to a coach but it would be a hard sell since the kid moved.

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2018 08:32am

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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1018216)
Look I like this site and most guys here seem nice. I have no problem having a discussion but not going to be treated like I am beneath someone. I clearly stated after that saying I feel it was an illegal screen and have NO PROBLEM explaining that to a coach but it would be a hard sell since the kid moved.

You never explained why it is an illegal screen.

Randa16 Tue Mar 06, 2018 08:34am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1018217)
You never explained why it is an illegal screen.

In my mind the kid moved toward the defender. I have no problem with him going back a little for impact but he goes up. Just my opinion

bob jenkins Tue Mar 06, 2018 08:37am

Push through the screen.

What was the call in the OP?


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