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Old Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:56pm
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No Dunking?

What is going on here?

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Old Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:11pm
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As a Canadian (even though I live next door to Maine), I know next to nothing about Federation rules. Having said that, the wording in the article says that a player shall not grasp the basket unless to prevent injury or to dunk. So how can you give a player a technical foul for grasping the basket during a dunk?
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:18pm
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Someone in the office up there has to of issued a directive I would assume.
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 12:23am
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The rule predates breakaway rims.
The problem is that the rule does prohibit grasping the basket while dunking the ball. It needs to be updated. Touching the basket is permitted as noted in 4-6-2 Exception.

That said, the game has evolved and players have been permitted to grasp the ring while dunking for several years now. Whoever is responsible for this madness taking place in Maine has earned the over-officious award for 2018.

It clearly surpasses not allowing an AC to request time-outs after the HC has been ejected.
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 02:41am
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What in the hell? There would be a T every other game I work if this was the standard.

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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 07:01am
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Casebook ...

10.3.3 SITUATION A: A1 is dribbling rapidly toward A’s basket and appears to
have an uncontested opportunity to score. B1 comes in quickly from the side and
violently undercuts A1 who is in the act of shooting. A1 momentarily grasps the
ring to regain balance and avoid injury. RULING: A1 is not penalized for grasping
the ring, as it clearly was done to prevent possible injury. B1 is charged with a flagrant
personal foul and is disqualified. Whether the try was successful or not, A1
is awarded two free throws with no players along the lane. Following the last
throw, Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest
to where the foul occurred.

10.3.3 SITUATION B: A1 jumps for a try near the basket but loses his/her balance
after releasing the ball. A1 grasps the basket to prevent injury. The ball: (a)
is; or (b) is not, in the basket or on the ring while A1 is hanging on the ring.
RULING: In (a), it is basket interference by A1 which causes the ball to become
dead and no goal can be scored. In (b), there is no violation unless A1 is still
hanging on the ring when the ball touches the basket or goes into the basket. In
both (a) and (b), A1’s grasping is not penalized if it is judged there was a possi
bility of injury had he/she not grasped the basket. (9-1)

10.3.3 SITUATION C: A1 dunks the ball, then grasps the ring: (a) to avoid possible
injury as he/she has lost his/her balance; or (b) because A2 or B1 is lying
on the floor directly under the basket. RULING: Grasping the ring to prevent
injury as in (a) or (b), is permitted without penalty.

10.3.3 SITUATION D: Only a few seconds remain in the second quarter. Team
A is advancing the ball from backcourt to frontcourt. A1 is driving toward his/her
basket and is about to dunk the ball when the signal indicates the end of the first
half. Shortly after the signal, A1 dunks the ball and hangs on to the rim. RULING:
A1 is assessed a technical foul for dunking a dead ball. The foul is also charged
indirectly to the head coach and results in the loss of coaching-box privileges
since A1 is considered bench personnel. The third quarter begins with Team B
being awarded two free throws and the ball at the division line. The alternatingpossession
arrow is not affected and remains unchanged. (4-34-2; 5-6-2
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 10:37am
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Wow. While I am in the camp that think things have gone too far in how HS players hang on rims, pull up on rims, showboat on rims, etc., without being called, not even I think that dunk in the video comes remotely close to something that should be called.
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 04:48pm
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Citation Please ...

A1 has a breakaway and dunks the ball. She is in no danger of injuring herself, or others. While she hangs on the rim with her right hand, she takes a sip of water from the water bottle she had been carrying in her left hand. You make the call.
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 04:53pm
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A1 has a breakaway and dunks the ball. She is in no danger of injuring herself, or others. While she hangs on the rim with her right hand, she takes a sip of water from the water bottle she had been carrying in her left hand. You make the call.
Not a T. Now, had it been a cup of water...
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 05:57pm
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Guys let’s not jump to conclusions. The article shows ONE video (which is clearly an IC), but references three other dunks that were also penalized. For all we know the other three technicals were easy calls. This article could easily have cherry picked this dunk as an example of what’s being called, and until we see the other dunks we won’t know.
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 06:23pm
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Guys let’s not jump to conclusions. The article shows ONE video (which is clearly an IC), but references three other dunks that were also penalized. For all we know the other three technicals were easy calls. This article could easily have cherry picked this dunk as an example of what’s being called, and until we see the other dunks we won’t know.
If the call was for this dunk, then it does not fit any standard other than maybe the state organization/association that plays a role in this interpretation. I have seen a lot worse that is never called because we are not trying to nitpick any grab of the rim. So you could be totally right, that this was not the worse one, but if that is the way it is being expected to be called, I guess I have to wonder if the people in charge ever saw a basketball game before?

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Are there any Maine officials on the Forum.
Bainsey is from Maine.

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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 09:48pm
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Nevada - you said that the rule prohibits grasping while dunking?? The rule says you can't grasp the basket...except to prevent injury, DUNK or STUFF, or attempt...

That rules says that you can indeed grasp the basket while dunking, so what am I missing?
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Old Thu Mar 01, 2018, 09:48pm
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Someone in the office up there has to of issued a directive I would assume.

And officials’ compliance with such a directive probably affects their ability to advance through the tournament.


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