Go to phrases for coaches/players

[packersowner]

....and if the coach wants to argue how many steps a player gets, its just easier to walk away knowing that you're talking about a pivot foot and be able to say, "you're arguing a rule that doesn't exist."

[RedAndWhiteRef]

In blowouts, I'll say "time and score, Coach" when explaining why I passed on a foul on the team getting blown out. It's really hard for the winning coach to argue with that one.

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

In blowouts, I'll say "time and score, Coach" when explaining why I passed on a foul on the team getting blown out. It's really hard for the winning coach to argue with that one.

I personally tell my partners to avoid this type of thinking and attitude for a few reasons.

1. With the amount of video available to teams, plays in which you are speaking of can easily be submitted to assignors or state organizations. When or if a play like that is submitted to your assignor, he/she is not going to look at the play and say well it was a foul but the score didn't warrant it. They may not even be able to tell the score/ game situation with just a clip submitted. They will simple say my official missed that play(s), possibly without you ever knowing the play was submitted.

2. Most often when coaches are ahead like that they aren't totally concerned with the passing of the foul but the risk of someone getting hurt. If you pass on a foul, the offending team might do that action again, or worse commit something more violent or flagrant. I think you should be aware of the precedent you are setting for the kids in these situations.

3. Sometimes we say don't miss anything on team XXX (winning team). While I generally agree with this it must be paired with don't make anything up. When a player makes a good or legal defensive play and we whistle them for a foul they believe that they have done something wrong. There are more games to be played and hopefully they are always learning and shouldn't try to correct/change legal plays.

My .02

[Raymond]

My responses can be plotted on a graph where one axis is my mood and the other axis the a-hole quotient of the coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

My responses can be plotted on a graph where one axis is my mood and the other axis the a-hole quotient of the coach.

Where is the like button?

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where is the like button?

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

In blowouts, I'll say "time and score, Coach" when explaining why I passed on a foul on the team getting blown out. It's really hard for the winning coach to argue with that one.

I never would recommend saying this and if my partner did he's on his own. The winning coach doesn't have to argue. We just have to officiate. Although the levels of "advantage/disadvantage" might get adjustments during the game a foul is a foul and I would never say what you said.

You might as well just say "I dont want to be here and just want to go home."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I never would recommend saying this and if my partner did he's on his own. The winning coach doesn't have to argue. We just have to officiate. Although the levels of "advantage/disadvantage" might get adjustments during the game a foul is a foul and I would never say what you said.

You might as well just say "I dont want to be here and just want to go home."

I've heard NBA refs put it as the grey area being adjusted. An obvious foul is still a foul. But plays that require judgment and decision-making, that 50/50 line moves to expand the grey area.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've heard NBA refs put it as the grey area being adjusted. An obvious foul is still a foul. But plays that require judgment and decision-making, that 50/50 line moves to expand the grey area.

Most coaches understand and recognize this. That's why I'm comfortable saying it the way I say it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

I never would recommend saying this and if my partner did he's on his own. The winning coach doesn't have to argue. We just have to officiate. Although the levels of "advantage/disadvantage" might get adjustments during the game a foul is a foul and I would never say what you said.

You might as well just say "I dont want to be here and just want to go home."

I would never say this either. It might be a reality to why I call a foul in some small situations, but I would not admit that to a coach. For example, if a team is getting pounded and they have a marginal contact take place, I might give them the foul if the score is clearly not going to change in any drastic way if I call a foul. I would never say this or suggest this to a coach.

Peace

[RedAndWhiteRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would never say this either. It might be a reality to why I call a foul in some small situations, but I would not admit that to a coach. For example, if a team is getting pounded and they have a marginal contact take place, I might give them the foul if the score is clearly not going to change in any drastic way if I call a foul. I would never say this or suggest this to a coach.

Peace

To clarify, I never say this after blowing my whistle. Only after choosing not to.

Subtle but important difference in my opinion.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

To clarify, I never say this after blowing my whistle. Only after choosing not to.

Subtle but important difference in my opinion.

It's both the same. It's a choice you made that effects the game. It's just my opinion, but you can do you. I wouldn't suggest this is all I'm saying to any official, and mind you I say some stuff to coaches that a lot of officials are scared to say for whatever reason. I just take a more blunt approach to jerk coaches.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

To clarify, I never say this after blowing my whistle. Only after choosing not to.

Subtle but important difference in my opinion.

That is just as bad if not worse. You are telling the coach or player that you did not blow the whistle for a foul that was actually a foul because of the time and situation. I would just rather not say anything at all. Not saying the thinking is not valid, but saying it is different. Just like telling a coach, "It is not my call" as opposed to, "Coach we are not looking at the same thing" or "Coach my partner had a good look at the play that I did not have." You are not lying in either situation, you are just not suggesting you choose not to call something they see as obvious.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would never say this either. It might be a reality to why I call a foul in some small situations, but I would not admit that to a coach. For example, if a team is getting pounded and they have a marginal contact take place, I might give them the foul if the score is clearly not going to change in any drastic way if I call a foul. I would never say this or suggest this to a coach.

Agree. My partner, and I, try to be as consistent as we can, for the entire game. No way am I suggesting to the coach that we want to get in, get out, and get paid. Those scrubs that only see varsity action in blowout games deserve the same level of officiating that we gave both teams for the first twenty-five minutes of the game.

When I'm the referee, this is how I end all of my pregames: This game is the most important game being played anywhere tonight for these kids, fans, and coaches. Let’s make sure we officiate the game keeping that in mind, through our effort, and attitude.

[LRZ]

At a soccer game, a coach and I went back and forth for a moment, and I wound it up by saying, "OK, coach, I'll give you the last word. What is it?" He was speechless, and we moved on.