Stop Sign

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You know what's also disrespectful? Players yelling at refs and throwing their hands in the air.

So whack or warn them? The stop sign might work for you–it doesn't work for everyone.

Originally Posted by SC Official

So whack or warn them? The stop sign might work for you–it doesn't work for everyone.

The stop sign works, it makes it clear that we are drawing the line in the sand.

Newsflash: people don’t like being told what to do. But that’s literally our job, and they need to get used to it.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

To me, it's inflammatory. "Talk to the hand."

If you like it, great. I prefer other tools.

Agreed. I also think it's another example of camp speak. How many times is the stop sign taught by clinicians as the greatest technique ever?

Originally Posted by AremRed

The stop sign works, it makes it clear that we are drawing the line in the sand.

Newsflash: people don’t like being told what to do. But that’s literally our job, and they need to get used to it.

And if you don't use the stop sign to tell coaches and players what to do, you're not doing it right? Balderdash.

I can make myself clear in other ways. The stop sign is not the be-all and end-all that many officials act like.

[Matt S.]

The reason the stop sign is encouraged by many is because it shows up on film. If you have to assess a technical foul, you avoid the 'the ref didn't even warn me' debate with something visual. I realize that some on here will say warnings aren't their style, but in the area and levels in which I work, that progression step before a T is encouraged, unless the behavior is exceptionally public or personal.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

The reason the stop sign is encouraged by many is because it shows up on film. If you have to assess a technical foul, you avoid the 'the ref didn't even warn me' debate with something visual. I realize that some on here will say warnings aren't their style, but in the area and levels in which I work, that progression step before a T is encouraged, unless the behavior is exceptionally public or personal.

HS comment only:

But now we have the official warning, which we put in the book, which really should replace the stop sign for those that use it.

Because the next stop after the official warning is a technical foul. Where would the stop sign actually fit?

[Matt S.]

Good point Rich.

I'd have to see the film, but I'd be willing to wager that during at least one of my bench conduct warning situations this season, after telling the book and turning to inform the coach, I used a 'mild' (palm and arm angled slightly towards floor) stop sign in conjunction with the verbal info they'd been warned. Not encouraging it, just thinking about it per this discussion.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Rich

HS comment only:

But now we have the official warning, which we put in the book, which really should replace the stop sign for those that use it.

Because the next stop after the official warning is a technical foul. Where would the stop sign actually fit?

Agree on this, however, I had a situation last night where I went:

1. "Coach that's enough" with a stop sign.
2. "What do you mean thats enough, you can't tell me be quiet"
3. Quick tweet, "coach warning"

So to me, you still can have a coach run through a stop sign, but after the warning, that's it, my stop sign turns into a "T Intersection"

[mattmets]

I have worked baseball for about 15 years and just got into basketball last year. I learned really quickly that even though the stop sign works 95% of the time in baseball when coaches know you've heard them, it's an epic failure in basketball the majority of the time. It was my go to coach management style coming into basketball and I got burned quickly. I do still use it occasionally for players depending on our interaction, but I will almost always talk to a coach before he gets the stop sign. The hand typically only comes out when I'm walking away from the coach after our discussion or if the ball is live and he wants to carry on. At that point, AFAIC, he's getting whatever he's asking for once we've talked.

Take it for what it's worth, especially with the far senior guys on this board, but that's been my experience crossing over from a sport that uses the hand much more liberally.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Agree on this, however, I had a situation last night where I went:

1. "Coach that's enough" with a stop sign.
2. "What do you mean thats enough, you can't tell me be quiet"
3. Quick tweet, "coach warning"

So to me, you still can have a coach run through a stop sign, but after the warning, that's it, my stop sign turns into a "T Intersection"

But talk of the stop sign was before this new warning. And it was said that if they walk through the stop sign, you were supposed to get them. The problem is all of that boxes you in. You have little choice or you look either weak or you look like you did not mean your position.

So why is it any different than a warning? At least with a warning, you have something official. A stop sign looks like a confrontation. And yes it matters based on many factors (e.g. Who you are and what you look like).

Peace

Originally Posted by SC Official

Agreed. I also think it's another example of camp speak. How many times is the stop sign taught by clinicians as the greatest technique ever?

And if you don't use the stop sign to tell coaches and players what to do, you're not doing it right? Balderdash.

I can make myself clear in other ways. The stop sign is not the be-all and end-all that many officials act like.

I’m not sure what you have against “camp speak”, that stuff has become teaching material for a reason.

I agree that the stop sign is not an end-all-be-all, but it’s pretty effective at communicating when we are done.

What techniques do you use instead? I’d appreciate as much detail as you can give.