Contact above the shoulders

[johnsonboys03]

Why can I not find the rule on contact to the head? I believe it was a 2013 NFHS change that said contact with an elbow in motion is to be ruled an intentional foul. Contact with an elbow with excessive movement should be ruled flagrant.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Why can I not find the rule on contact to the head? I believe it was a 2013 NFHS change that said contact with an elbow in motion is to be ruled an intentional foul. Contact with an elbow with excessive movement should be ruled flagrant.

If I remember correctly, this was a POE (case play interpretation) -- not an actual change in the rule.

[SC Official]

Discussed ad nauseam on this forum.

[johnsonboys03]

I can't find an archive of this anywhere either. Has this emphasis changed. I'm failing to find the rule anywhere in current books.

[HokiePaul]

It's not in any of the current books. I'm not sure when the language dropped out, but (at least in my area) it has been accepted that the interpretation remains valid.

If asked, I would state something like: "Coach, NHFS has emphasized that an elbow in motion making contact with an opponent in an Intentional Foul"

2012-13 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
2. Contact above the shoulders. With a continued emphasis on reducing concussions and decreasing excessive contact situations the committee determined that more guidance is needed for penalizing contact above the shoulders.
a. A player shall not swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s) even without contacting an opponent. Excessive swinging of the elbows occurs when arms and elbows are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arms and elbows is in excess of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot. Currently it is a violation in Rule 9 Section 13 Article.
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2. An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3. A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or flagrant personal foul.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

It's not in any of the current books. I'm not sure when the language dropped out, but (at least in my area) it has been accepted that the interpretation remains valid.

If asked, I would state something like: "Coach, NHFS has emphasized that an elbow in motion making contact with an opponent in an Intentional Foul"

2012-13 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
2. Contact above the shoulders. With a continued emphasis on reducing concussions and decreasing excessive contact situations the committee determined that more guidance is needed for penalizing contact above the shoulders.
a. A player shall not swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s) even without contacting an opponent. Excessive swinging of the elbows occurs when arms and elbows are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arms and elbows is in excess of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot. Currently it is a violation in Rule 9 Section 13 Article.
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2. An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3. A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or flagrant personal foul.

Am I the only one that thinks this is crazy to not abe a written rule in the rule book, if this is what they want called? I try really hard to ALWAYS quote the actual rule when teaching on something at our chapter meetings. This is a topic people wanted to talk about, and not having a rule reference is making that difficult.

Thanks for the archived P. O. E however😀