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[DrPete]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Actually, you don't. The ball remains live until the try ends, even if a foul has been called. So, it is quite possible to have a foul involving the shooter and another foul elsewhere without either being intentional or flagrant. It may be uncommon, but it is certainly possible.

Camron is correct, the ball remains live while the try is in flight, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor. It still would be uncommon to have two fouls like described in the original post.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Camron is correct, the ball remains live while the try is in flight, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor. It still would be uncommon to have two fouls like described in the original post.

I hate to pile on, but the airborne shooter returning to the floor doesn't have anything to do with whether the ball is live or dead.

[DrPete]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I hate to pile on, but the airborne shooter returning to the floor doesn't have anything to do with whether the ball is live or dead.

Help me understand this:

Under rule 6.7 (live ball and dead ball)

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

and ART. 7 says:
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A foul, other than player-control or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below).

[so cal lurker]

I believe in the NBA a defensive foul against a player other than the shooter has a one shot penalty if the shot is successful. So those who learn the rules from TV may create confusion here.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Help me understand this:

Under rule 6.7 (live ball and dead ball)

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

That's a great question, Pete. I can't think of a time when the ball becomes dead simply because the airborne shooter returns to the floor. If the airborne shooter returns to the floor BEFORE the try has ended, the ball remains live (because we're going to count the basket if it goes in). If the airborne shooter returns to the floor AFTER the try has ended, then the ball is already dead because it became dead when the try ended (whether it was successful or not).

Anybody want to help Pete and me on this one?

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the airborne shooter returns to the floor AFTER the try has ended, then the ball is already dead because it became dead when the try ended (whether it was successful or not).

Something about this statement doesn't seem right - maybe I'm missing some context here.

The try could end before the shooter returns to the floor (one example I can think of would be a shot that is immediately blocked and certain to be unsuccessful).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Something about this statement doesn't seem right - maybe I'm missing some context here.

The try could end before the shooter returns to the floor (one example I can think of would be a shot that is immediately blocked and certain to be unsuccessful).

True, but the ball doesn't become dead in such a play either when the try ends or the shooter lands. The ball is still in play...unless it is blocked OOB. But that is what makes it dead, not the shooter landing.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's a great question, Pete. I can't think of a time when the ball becomes dead simply because the airborne shooter returns to the floor. If the airborne shooter returns to the floor BEFORE the try has ended, the ball remains live (because we're going to count the basket if it goes in). If the airborne shooter returns to the floor AFTER the try has ended, then the ball is already dead because it became dead when the try ended (whether it was successful or not).

Anybody want to help Pete and me on this one?

CB 6.7.4 Ruling may help. Can't post it. On my way out.

[SNIPERBBB]

There is a difference between the act of shooting ends and when the try ends.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by billyu2

CB 6.7.4 Ruling may help. Can't post it. On my way out.

Again, in that case play, the ball does not become dead because the shooter has returned to the floor. The ball is dead because of the player control foul. The ball is dead before the airborne shooter returns to the floor.

[billyu2]

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

We know if a foul occurs while a try is in flight, the ball becomes dead when the try ends - successful/unsuccessful. (no airborne shooter involved) What I believe the rule above is saying (plus 6.7.4) is: if an airborne shooter is involved, regardless of the outcome of the try, if the shooter is still airborne, the ball does not become dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Otherwise, if the ball were dead based on the result of the try, subsequent contact by or against the still airborne shooter would have to be ignored unless ruled intentional or flagrant.

[hamnegger]

The second play is a false multiple foul and each carries it's own penalty.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Camron is correct, the ball remains live while the try is in flight, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor. It still would be uncommon to have two fouls like described in the original post.

So uncommon that....oh, just read my tagline.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bucky

So uncommon that....oh, just read my tagline.

Go ahead and make that call all you like. As a reward, there will be all the 7th grade games you can possibly work.