Contact above the shoulders

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

This has been discussed here before -- Most agree with you that this should have been put into the rules. That said, it isn't in conflict with the rule. If you prefer to cite the Intentional Foul rule, you can still do that by saying something like "Coach, I saw an elbow in motion contact the opponent above the shoulders which I ruled to be excessive contact" I doubt this is one that most coaches are going to argue.

It is my number one issue with NFHS. Never made it to rule book. The POE says contact with elbow "in movement" above shoulders is an intentional foul...at very least. If it is "excessive" it is Flagrant and player tossed. Any elbow moving and contact made-intentional at least...
If you want me to call it that way I need to see it in a rule so someone else can see why I did so....😞

[BillyMac]

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Isn't swinging faster than the torso but without making contact still a violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Isn't swinging faster than the torso but without making contact still a violation?

First line of the second half of the chart.

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

First line of the second half of the chart.

I guess it just seems contradictory to the first line a bit, but I guess that is segregating fouls and violations.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

I guess it just seems contradictory to the first line a bit, but I guess that is segregating fouls and violations.

The very first line is "no excessive swinging" -- so it's clearly NOT going to be a violation or anything flagrant.

The first line of the second part is "excessive swinging" -- so both of those are in play.

Ther's no contradiction (there is some question as to whether NFHS / your state still wants it enforced this way), but the cart was accurate based on the POE

[Amesman]

Truly a nice chart, Craig (via Billy).

But if someone swings an elbow above a defender's head, that's not going to be an intentional or flagrant PF in my games.

Now if an elbow is swung into/onto an opponent's head or above the shoulders ...