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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 06:16pm
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Thats the norm here and it drives me nuts. "Coaches, help us out on full or 30's" 9x out 10, I still find myself asking them what they want.



Also, I am not really a fan of telling kids "white talk to white, blue talk to blue" Its another do as they do in Rome thing, but where does it stop. Again 9x out of 10, the kid coming to the pre-game conference isn't the knot-head that is going to run his mouth.



I do tell them if they have questions come ask myself or my partners, I want them to know as a captain I may need them later in the game to go tell their teammate to knock it off.



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Thats the norm here and it drives me nuts. "Coaches, help us out on full or 30's" 9x out 10, I still find myself asking them what they want.

Also, I am not really a fan of telling kids "white talk to white, blue talk to blue" Its another do as they do in Rome thing, but where does it stop. Again 9x out of 10, the kid coming to the pre-game conference isn't the knot-head that is going to run his mouth.

I do tell them if they have questions come ask myself or my partners, I want them to know as a captain I may need them later in the game to go tell their teammate to knock it off.

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It's the norm here to ask for the speaking captain, to say "white talk to white, blue talk to blue," to ask coaches to "let us know 30 or 60," and some of the other hackneyed fluff. And I don't say any of it. Nowhere is it a requirement.

We have a combined meeting with coaches and captains here. When I'm the R, the elapsed time from when I start speaking until I end with "Have a good game" is roughly 20 seconds.

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"Be good sports. Have fun."

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It's the norm here to ask for the speaking captain, to say "white talk to white, blue talk to blue," to ask coaches to "let us know 30 or 60," and some of the other hackneyed fluff. And I don't say any of it. Nowhere is it a requirement.

We have a combined meeting with coaches and captains here. When I'm the R, the elapsed time from when I start speaking until I end with "Have a good game" is roughly 20 seconds.
I am not frowning on anyone who wants to say any of the classic lines. In my experience, if a kid is a captain and has been for 2 - 3 years through the different levels, they've probably heard the same thing 60 plus times.

I'm more likely to say, "play hard and make momma proud"

I just think we have to realize that kids and coaches look at that meeting as a check mark. Anything we can do to not be robotic is probably worth it.
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I called a full timeout a 60 tonight in honor of this thread.


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I am not frowning on anyone who wants to say any of the classic lines. In my experience, if a kid is a captain and has been for 2 - 3 years through the different levels, they've probably heard the same thing 60 plus times.

I'm more likely to say, "play hard and make momma proud"

I just think we have to realize that kids and coaches look at that meeting as a check mark. Anything we can do to not be robotic is probably worth it.
The only line I "frown upon" per se is the speaking captain nonsense. Because 95% of us forget who s/he is (along with all the other captains) five seconds after the meeting ends. And I only know of a couple officials whose personal philosophy is to only speak with the speaking captain (not surprisingly, those officials aren't very well-liked and coincidentally aren't very good).

I don't "frown upon" the other lines, but I think they're stupid.

I've actually been complimented before by coaches on how short and to-the-point my pregame is.
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How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?

Funny that this is the one thing in that stupid meeting supported by the manual.


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How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?

Funny that this is the one thing in that stupid meeting supported by the manual.
But it is in the Manual, so it must be something they must do right?

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How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?
Speaking captain is not part of my pregame, but it's not a problem for me if others do it. A few partners will ask for the speaking captain's number, and some may ask if they're starting (I guess to deal with Rich's comment above).
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The only line I "frown upon" per se is the speaking captain nonsense. Because 95% of us forget who s/he is (along with all the other captains) five seconds after the meeting ends. And I only know of a couple officials whose personal philosophy is to only speak with the speaking captain (not surprisingly, those officials aren't very well-liked and coincidentally aren't very good).

I don't "frown upon" the other lines, but I think they're stupid.

I've actually been complimented before by coaches on how short and to-the-point my pregame is.
In the Captains' meeting, I tell everyone there to show us their jersey number. I have no problem with the "white talk to white...." line. If my pre-game meeting takes 20 seconds, 15 of those seconds are dedicated to the "we aren't allowing any nonsense" theme.
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Who do you know who to allow to ask for a defensive matchup when 3 or more players come in the game if you don't check their numbers in the captain's meeting?

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Who do you know who to allow to ask for a defensive matchup when 3 or more players come in the game if you don't check their numbers in the captain's meeting?
HC or any player. If I hear the coach tell his team to matchup I'll hold up my partners from administrating throw-in/free throw.
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OK cool. Actually have a team that runs the Grinnell system and some teams ask for matchup and the book says "a captain may request" and nothing about coach.
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I always try to get a captain's number and name. Twice in the past week I've used the captain to help with a player.
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