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Old Sat Jan 06, 2018, 11:58am
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Because he’s a good play caller.

Doesn’t justify his unnecessary antics.
Did it ever occur to you that they do not care about his so-called "antics?" This is something officials that struggle working a big game in their area like to complain about. But wonder why certain guys get games over them and claim there is some level of "professionalism" that seems to be maintained. I have been officiating for a long time and I have seen officials at all levels do all kinds of things that would be seen as "unprofessional" but it works and does not hurt their schedules.

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Old Sat Jan 06, 2018, 03:01pm
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I think there's a difference that some of us on here refuse to acknowledge.

No, it will not hurt him professionally and he will fill his dates even if he loses games. He doesn't care what people think and obviously his supervisors don't either, and they're the ones that matter.

Yes, it was unnecessary and makes the officiating profession look bad.

It can be both things, and I feel like both are true. Media, fans, etc don't need any more ammo than they already have, and things like this give them that ammo.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2018, 03:20pm
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Yes, it was unnecessary and makes the officiating profession look bad.

It can be both things, and I feel like both are true. Media, fans, etc don't need any more ammo than they already have, and things like this give them that ammo.
If we are using the media and fans as a barometer of what makes us look bad, we "look bad" when we simply T up a player. Jay Bilas goes on and on about calls that he thinks are not good and says that officials do certain things they should not do. Rarely does he ever put things on the coaches or the administrators that actually make the rules or even the administrators that want things to be a certain way. We do not need this incident to make anything change in the perception. This is ultimately about Teddy and what he did. And still, the problem is that the media thinks that because of the kid's resume' we are supposed to feel a certain way about a player, but not the resume' or even the background of the official. All you have to do is watch SportsCenter every day and see a highlight package and every call is scrutinized as if the officials are idiots or do not know what their job is, so I just laugh when people point to things like this as if perception has changed or will change.

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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 11:28am
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"I'm thinking about retiring," Valentine said. "I've had enough of people blowing up stuff. I think I've had a stellar career, and I think it's time to get ready to walk away."
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 06:26pm
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"I'm thinking about retiring," Valentine said. "I've had enough of people blowing up stuff. I think I've had a stellar career, and I think it's time to get ready to walk away."
As good as he is, he's done some silly stuff. This wasn't blown up, he did it. He'll recover because he is good, but that doesn't mean what he did was acceptable.
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 10:17pm
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"I'm thinking about retiring," Valentine said. "I've had enough of people blowing up stuff. I think I've had a stellar career, and I think it's time to get ready to walk away."
Teddy might be better served to admit he could have handled this situation a little differently and move on...
There is nothing basketball-related/officiating-related he can say that will provide a good defense for this behavior.
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 10:12pm
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If we are using the media and fans as a barometer of what makes us look bad, we "look bad" when we simply T up a player. Jay Bilas goes on and on about calls that he thinks are not good and says that officials do certain things they should not do. Rarely does he ever put things on the coaches or the administrators that actually make the rules or even the administrators that want things to be a certain way. We do not need this incident to make anything change in the perception. This is ultimately about Teddy and what he did. And still, the problem is that the media thinks that because of the kid's resume' we are supposed to feel a certain way about a player, but not the resume' or even the background of the official. All you have to do is watch SportsCenter every day and see a highlight package and every call is scrutinized as if the officials are idiots or do not know what their job is, so I just laugh when people point to things like this as if perception has changed or will change.

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We are held to a higher standard than the players... The players are held to a higher standard than the average kid in the history or Algebra class etc.

This behavior is just wrong.
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 11:22pm
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We are held to a higher standard than the players... The players are held to a higher standard than the average kid in the history or Algebra class etc.

This behavior is just wrong.
Higher standard by whom? I think what he did was not only justified but unique. Because if he would have T'd him, then everyone would have suggested he did something wrong too. I have been watching Teddy for a long time. I remember when he would have the media all over him when he gave Ts to someone that was justified and officials would also complain because they did not have the guts to take such action.

Now if you feel it is wrong, that is your opinion. You have a right to that opinion. The more I hear people complain about what he did, the more I think he did what he needed to do for that situation. But I do not think there is anything wrong with not saying something that will be used against you no matter what you say. But again, I do not live in this sensitive attitude era that we live in now and accept that premise. There was a time when officials would damn near curse you out and no one said a thing. So save the "We are held to a higher standard" crap. We just have more cameras and more coverage for those to find something to scrutinize.

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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 11:49pm
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ted-val...161625211.html

It would be wonderful if he opted to retire.
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 11:55pm
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And on that note, I'm closing this thread.

Nothing good can come from it. And I'm not willing to go through the thread and delete the name calling, which is beneath this forum and our avocation.
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