Shooting foul at end of period

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by frezer11

... do they look at the time the foul occurred, or when the official called the foul?

High school, no monitor:

NFHS 5-8-1-A: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: Signals: A foul.

The foul doesn't stop the clock, the signal (simultaneous fist/stop clock signal) stops the clock.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

High school, no monitor:

NFHS 5-8-1-A: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: Signals: A foul.

The foul doesn't stop the clock, the signal (simultaneous fist/stop clock signal) stops the clock.

What is the point of blowing the whistle? (stay with me on this) Where in the rule book is it a required action with regards to fouls and violations? Is it in the manual perhaps?

[HokiePaul]

Has their been a case play on this before? It seems familiar, but maybe it's been discussed here before.

The reason I ask is I'm wondering what the justification is for not counting the basket? I understand not being able to add time without knowledge, but why is the shooter not allowed continuous motion in this instance?

There is the rule stating that whether the clock is running or is stopped has no influence on the counting of a goal. And you know that the foul occurred prior to the expiration of time (whistle was before the horn). What is the rules/case reference to treat this different than the usual determination of whether or not the player had begun the trying or tapping movement?

Edit:
"A live-ball foul by the offense (team in control or last in control if the ball is loose), or the expiration of time for a quarter or extra period, causes the ball to become dead immediately, unless the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal. The ball also becomes dead when a player-control foul occurs."

I'm guessing this is the rules justification, but if you know the foul occurred prior to the expiration of time, then I think you have a strong argument that this doesn't apply.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Has their been a case play on this before? It seems familiar, but maybe it's been discussed here before.

You can get some of it from 5.6.2D (last year's reference).

There have been other cases that contain more detail -- the point is that unless an official sees the time remaining, then the timer is allowed some "normal reaction time*" to stop the clock, so the time is allowed to expire in the OP.

If there is replay (as in NCAA), then you can go back and add time -- we can't arbitrarily add time in HS (nor in NCAA (at least NCAAW) when there is no monitor

* -- I am not sure if that phrase still exists in the books or not (it used to be limited to 1 second, but I know that part was removed -- the concept still applies unless an official has definite knowledge of the time)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

What is the point of blowing the whistle? (stay with me on this) Where in the rule book is it a required action with regards to fouls and violations? Is it in the manual perhaps?

Rulebook? Doesn't mention whistles.

IAABO Manual: Sound whistle simultaneously with the foul signal.