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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:49am
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To me that's clearly a foul. I've been lectured on the "let the bigs block shots, that's why people are here" vernacular also, but I don't agree with that mentality for high school ball. A foul is a foul no matter how cool it looked.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:55am
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To me that's clearly a foul. I've been lectured on the "let the bigs block shots, that's why people are here" vernacular also, but I don't agree with that mentality for high school ball. A foul is a foul no matter how cool it looked.
I think there is a distinction between letting a big block a shot and bumping a shooter on the way down vs. going through the shooter while blocking the ball. This is the latter...and a foul.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:57pm
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To me that's clearly a foul. I've been lectured on the "let the bigs block shots, that's why people are here" vernacular also, but I don't agree with that mentality for high school ball. A foul is a foul no matter how cool it looked.
I call the game the exact way at the high school level as any other level I would call. I am OK with the contact if there is ball first. And players falling should not be the reason we call a foul. The player could land totally on their feet and I would feel the same way about the play either way. If a player touches his arm or misses the ball, this is a foul all the time. I have made several of those types of calls regardless of the way the shooter falls. And in some cases, the shooter never feel and it looked like a clean block to others, but the contact was with the wrist or head.

This idea that we do something so "pure" at the high school level is so annoying. Because when you call things that are clear rules that are held at other levels as well, we get a lot of blowback about those calls. So I guess it is funny when people say, "That would be a call at the high school level" when we have officials that cannot call simple hand-checking rules that are clearly listed as fouls. This is at best an interpretation situation more than anything.

For the record, I think this looks like a clean block, but I do not have the look that the officials did as they were a lot closer to the play. But if a foul is called, I am OK with it, I just find the parts as if a high school game matters in the decision. The rules or philosophy are the same where I live.

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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:49pm
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I call the game the exact way at the high school level as any other level I would call. I am OK with the contact if there is ball first. And players falling should not be the reason we call a foul. The player could land totally on their feet and I would feel the same way about the play either way. If a player touches his arm or misses the ball, this is a foul all the time. I have made several of those types of calls regardless of the way the shooter falls. And in some cases, the shooter never feel and it looked like a clean block to others, but the contact was with the wrist or head.

This idea that we do something so "pure" at the high school level is so annoying. Because when you call things that are clear rules that are held at other levels as well, we get a lot of blowback about those calls. So I guess it is funny when people say, "That would be a call at the high school level" when we have officials that cannot call simple hand-checking rules that are clearly listed as fouls. This is at best an interpretation situation more than anything.

For the record, I think this looks like a clean block, but I do not have the look that the officials did as they were a lot closer to the play. But if a foul is called, I am OK with it, I just find the parts as if a high school game matters in the decision. The rules or philosophy are the same where I live.

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Call a couple handchecks after judging the OP as a play-on, and you’ll get a fair share of blowback. At any level.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:58pm
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To me that's clearly a foul. I've been lectured on the "let the bigs block shots, that's why people are here" vernacular also, but I don't agree with that mentality for high school ball. A foul is a foul no matter how cool it looked.
It's the vernacular not to call fouls when there is slight or incidental body contact. The play in question is not slight or incidental body contact. But I've seen many times here on the Peninsula where officials come running out with fouls based on contact that had nothing to do with the blocked shot.

Just as it is wrong to not call a foul on this play, it's just as wrong to call fouls when there isn't one, high school or college ball.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:55pm
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Call a couple handchecks after judging the OP as a play-on, and you’ll get a fair share of blowback. At any level.
The hand-checking rule has nothing to do with the amount of contact, and neither should this play. Again, the plays have nothing to do with each other.

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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 10:41pm
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Just as it is wrong to not call a foul on this play, it's just as wrong to call fouls when there isn't one, high school or college ball.
That's a good way to put it. I don't think officials should go looking for fouls on plays where "some" contact does not affect the play. If there is no advantage gained, then maybe it doesn't need to be called at all. However, the OP video is too much contact to pass on.
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I think there is a distinction between letting a big block a shot and bumping a shooter on the way down vs. going through the shooter while blocking the ball. This is the latter...and a foul.
I agree.
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Old Thu Dec 21, 2017, 05:16pm
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I think there is a distinction between letting a big block a shot and bumping a shooter on the way down vs. going through the shooter while blocking the ball. This is the latter...and a foul.
Bingo.
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How is this not a foul? The defender jumps to block the shot and is clearly not vertical when he makes contact with the airborne shooter.
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The kid got the shot off and then it was blocked so contact could be called incid...

Wait. That guy in third row, the one who has been helping me with the three second counts all night, he was kind enough to remind me.

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