Defender trying to take a charge starting to fall before contact

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The defender didn't prematurely fall back in this play. In fact, he didn't even lean back.

Actually, at the time of contact, he is leaning back. It isn't dramatic, but his body is not straight up. It is about 10-15 degrees away from perfectly vertical.

[jeremy341a]

I don't understand the theory that the defense is putting the offense in danger. Why should the defense be required to absorb 100% of the force the offense is creating.

Although not normally thought of as backwards the definition of duck does not state a direction

duck2
dək/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: ducking
1.
lower the head or the body quickly to avoid a blow or so as not to be seen.
"spectators ducked for cover"

[deecee]

Noone is saying that a defender has to take 100% of the hit and/or has to be 90% perpendicular. The video above is a clear PC.

There are very clear examples in games where a defender starts falling so early that the contact, although would have been a PC in most cases had the defender "manned up", bails so early they are usually about 1/3 - 1/2 of the way down when contact occurs.

I'm sorry but I would go with a no call or block if i HAD to make a call 100% of the time on those calls.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

Noone is saying that a defender has to take 100% of the hit and/or has to be 90% perpendicular. The video above is a clear PC.

There are very clear examples in games where a defender starts falling so early that the contact, although would have been a PC in most cases had the defender "manned up", bails so early they are usually about 1/3 - 1/2 of the way down when contact occurs.

I'm sorry but I would go with a no call or block if i HAD to make a call 100% of the time on those calls.

If it would have been PC if he'd "manned up" it can't ever be correct to call a block. No calls are fine. Often the falling back reduces the contact to incidental. But the defender isn't doing anything to lose his LGP by falling back.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If it would have been PC if he'd "manned up" it can't ever be correct to call a block. No calls are fine. Often the falling back reduces the contact to incidental. But the defender isn't doing anything to lose his LGP by falling back.

I'm sorry but there is a point that it's just flopping and no way in hell am I calling a PC or a no call. Although a T is a bit harsh. The happy medium is a block.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm sorry but there is a point that it's just flopping and no way in hell am I calling a PC or a no call. Although a T is a bit harsh. The happy medium is a block.

No, it's not a happy medium. If it's a flop, T it. If it's not enough contact for a PC, no call it. But by calling a block, you are wrong. And you're making it harder for everyone else who has to referee after you who actually observes the rules.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

No, it's not a happy medium. If it's a flop, T it. If it's not enough contact for a PC, no call it. But by calling a block, you are wrong. And you're making it harder for everyone else who has to referee after you who actually observes the rules.

Unfortunately the penalty is to harsh and for the most part not accepted among peers. There hav been other examples of this and the fed has changed the penalty. They should do that here. I'm not going to swim upstream a block will suffice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm sorry but there is a point that it's just flopping and no way in hell am I calling a PC or a no call. Although a T is a bit harsh. The happy medium is a block.

Had such a call last Friday. Easily explainable to my supervisor if he were to ask.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Had such a call last Friday. Easily explainable to my supervisor if he were to ask.

You called a T?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm sorry but there is a point that it's just flopping and no way in hell am I calling a PC or a no call. Although a T is a bit harsh. The happy medium is a block.

As a spectator at a high school boys varsity game, I once seen a kid throw himself into the wall 3 feet out of bounds without contact from the offense. I consider that sort of behavior a "flop". A technical foul was called.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Actually, at the time of contact, he is leaning back. It isn't dramatic, but his body is not straight up. It is about 10-15 degrees away from perfectly vertical.

That is ultimately semantics, he knows he is getting run the (bleep) over when the contact took place.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is ultimately semantics, he knows he is getting run the (bleep) over when the contact took place.

Peace

I agree...was being sarcastic.