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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:54am
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Maui Invitational Video Plays (Michigan vs. LSU)

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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:17pm
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Play 1: HS, count it. NCAA, probably not.

Play 2: Hook first...should have been offensive. the L, who can see it all should have taken it.

Play 3: Inconclusive from the video.

Play 4: Nothing to call.

Play 5: Good call. You don't have the right to knock another player off his feet in order to recover the ball, particularly one who had picked up the ball.

Play 6: Good call. Defender had 2 feet down and got in the path before shooter left the floor. In fact, he had that when the shooter was still outside of the 3-point arc and heading right towards him. He got 2 feet down again (a couple of times) but it was not necessary. The L had good position to make the decision.

(Edit...updated incorrectly numbered plays 5 & 6, added 4 that I skipped)
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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:24pm
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Play 1: HS, count it. NCAA, probably not.
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Why? The rule is basically the same at both levels. They got rid of upward motion some time ago.

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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:47pm
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Number 1 happened quick so I can see why he might have counted it but....
he picked up the ball with left hand while stepping into/toward defender. got the contact. finishes step, moves ball to the right hand and then finally goes up. The "habitual throwing movement" hadn't started yet when the contact occurred. I don't think it should count in either set.
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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:40pm
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Haven't done one of these in a while. From an NFHS mindset...

#1 I like the shooting foul here. No sense in penalizing the dribbler too soon with a quick call. See it through.
#2 I struggle to see a defensive foul here. Even if you ignore the hook (which you shouldn't, I have a PC), the defender was still moving laterally.
#3 I like the call. Defender got the ball at first, then got the arm.
#4 I prefer a slow whistle here, which means I may go incidental through all that.
#5 Charge. Defender was moving laterally.
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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:52pm
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Why? The rule is basically the same at both levels. They got rid of upward motion some time ago.

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While the rule is essentially the same, the interpretations I've seen for NCAA suggest a more strict interpretation of what it takes to be in the shooting motion.

Upward motion has indeed been gone for a while but it was never about defining when the shot started. It was only about whether the defender had LGP in time or not.
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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:59pm
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While the rule is essentially the same, the interpretations I've seen for NCAA suggest a more strict interpretation of what it takes to be in the shooting motion.

Upward motion has indeed been gone for a while but it was never about defining when the shot started. It was only about whether the defender had LGP in time or not.
Not so sure about that anymore. The NCAA or at least JD Collins has addressed this situation. At least JD did with me at a camp (in a room full of people). They have shown some plays that clearly they wanted a shot to be completed. I know I call it the same way in both codes.

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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:30pm
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1. count it
2. I go with the push being before the hook.
3. Cant see, but looks like a good call.
4. Nothing
5. Great call! Love the kids hustle, but you have to get this foul.
6. Punch it! That's a charge and I don't see it as being a real difficult call. That defender was there all day and made a small lateral movement to maintain position.
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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 04:14pm
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#1) Shooting foul

#2) I'm more concerned that the Trail put a whistle on this. He has A1 in between him and B1. The play is going away from him when the contact occurs. He blows his whistle after another player steps in between him and the action.

The Lead has the best look at this as the play is coming towards him and he can see between A1 and B1.

#3) If I'm Lead, I'm not calling that unless something egregious happens. It's on the other side of the paint and up high near the rim. I'm trusting the Center on this one.

#4) Nothing. If free throw is missed and Blue gets the rebound, I might consider a foul on Blue for knocking White off his feet.

#5) Loose ball designation is correct. Prior, W5 commits a palming violation that's worth getting, IMO.

#6) I have a block. Defender is still sliding when A1 goes airborne.
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Not so sure about that anymore. The NCAA or at least JD Collins has addressed this situation. At least JD did with me at a camp (in a room full of people). They have shown some plays that clearly they wanted a shot to be completed. I know I call it the same way in both codes.

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Good! That would be an update that I've not heard yet.
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#6) I have a block. Defender is still sliding when A1 goes airborne.
Why does that matter?
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Why does that matter?
Because he slid into the Airborne shooter

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Old Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:23pm
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Because he slid into the Airborne shooter

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OK. Just wanted it to be clear...that sliding sideways after the shooter is airborne is not necessarily a problem but sliding INTO the airborne shooter or INTO the path of the airborne shooter is.
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Old Thu Nov 23, 2017, 11:01am
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Play 1: Count it

Play 2: PC foul, Lead's play

Play 3: Clear foul

Play 4: Nothing

Play 5: Tough call but I'm ok with it. Looks like 50/50 scramble, not sure the Mich player takes out the LSU players feet enough. Ugly play, gotta clean that up IMO.

Play 6: Charge
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Play 1- I'm scoring the basket. In slow-mo instant replay you can justify a non shooting foul but I usually err on the side of counting the basket.

Play 2- Good example of the body bump on a ball handler that has been a recent point of emphasis. It precedes the hook by the offense. Interesting that there was a triple whistle.

Ply 3- Can't tell from the video if its a foul or not. But I don't like calling stuff up high from across the paint. I have found those types of plays to be among the most inaccurate from any position on the court. Maybe there was some follow through contact on the front side but I'd like to defer to the C here and leave that alone.

Play 4- Nothing

Play 5- Correct call that everyone who doesnt understand the rules is going to cry about.

Play 6- I have a block from the L's angle. The defender slides into the path of the airborne shooter who was attempting to go around the defender.
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