Interpretations Check

[BigCat]

It is still good.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

It is still good.

Sadly, that is correct.

I would prefer that they change it so that frontcourt/backcourt not exist at ll until a player catches the ball inbounds and that an airborne player doesn't have either status until landing.

[Nevadaref]

I have to disagree.
Nowhere have I ever read that the defensive player exception only applies to the first player to touch the ball. I believe that someone with the NFHS is incorrectly applying a provision of the throw-in exception to the defense.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I have to disagree. Nowhere have I ever read that the defensive player exception only applies to the first player to touch the ball. I believe that someone with the NFHS is incorrectly applying a provision of the throw-in exception to the defense.

Bingo. Agree. The word "defensive" jumped out at me right away. This has got to be an error.

[Raymond]

Simple fix. There are no restrictions to landing in either the frontcourt or the backcourt for the first player to secure PC subsequent to a throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

NFHS (and NCAAW) have issued prior interps to the effect that there is no "offense" or "defense" until there's PC inbounds. So, the "defensive player" exception cannot apply here.

And, since the throw-in was touched, the "player who catches a throw-in" exception cannot apply, either.

I would support some sort of rules change, but that's what it would take.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I have to disagree.
Nowhere have I ever read that the defensive player exception only applies to the first player to touch the ball. I believe that someone with the NFHS is incorrectly applying a provision of the throw-in exception to the defense.

The defensive player exception is not for this situation. The defensive exception has always applied only after there is team & player control inbounds.

[walt]

Originally Posted by camron rust

the defensive player exception is not for this situation. The defensive exception has always applied only after there is team & player control inbounds.

+1

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The defensive player exception is not for this situation. The defensive exception has always applied only after there is team & player control inbounds.

He knows that I'm sure. the last sentence in Freddy's play says normal landing provision applies to the throw in and defensive exceptions..."AND is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball."

It reads as if initial touch has something to do with the defensive exception. We all agree it doesn't...but that sentence does read that way....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by referee99

In situation #6 that Freddy posted, B2 jumps from his BACKCOURT, which is not included in 9-9-3 as an exception. (H/T Nevada for pointing that out from a similar thread in 2006!)

I have to agree with this. Situation 6 is not covered by the exception because the player does not jump from his frontcourt as the text of the rule requires. My problem is now solely with Situation 4.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The defensive player exception is not for this situation. The defensive exception has always applied only after there is team & player control inbounds.

I don't think that is true. I don't have my old books with me at this time, but I believe that 9-9-3 used to read something such as "a player from a team not in control may..." That was always true of the players on the non-throwing team.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I have to disagree.
Nowhere have I ever read that the defensive player exception only applies to the first player to touch the ball. I believe that someone with the NFHS is incorrectly applying a provision of the throw-in exception to the defense.

I disagree with your disagreement. The reason the exception only applies to the first person to touch the ball is that the exception in 9-9-3 specifically applies only DURING a jump ball or throw-in, or while on defense. Since the throw-in ends when it is legally touched inbounds, the second player who makes the catch and lands in the backcourt is not making that play DURING the throw-in. Therefore, no exception.