Big Baller Forfeits

New situation today: Female referee removed after LaVar Ball threatens to pull his AAU team off court

Apparently the Court Club Camp is running in Vegas and one of the campers whacked LaVar and he forced her to get removed. I'm surprised Ed didn't pull all his refs off the floor for the tournament bending to that shit. And then he got whacked by the replacement guy! That's being a good partner right there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

New situation today: Female referee removed after LaVar Ball threatens to pull his AAU team off court

Apparently the Court Club Camp is running in Vegas and one of the campers whacked LaVar and he forced her to get removed. I'm surprised Ed didn't pull all his refs off the floor for the tournament bending to that shit. And then he got whacked by the replacement guy! That's being a good partner right there.

This is the story that I saw. The guy stole my Cry Baby line from a few days ago with his #BigCryBaby. I still like BigBawler!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-b...160917511.html

For the record, I have officiated the LV BigTime and the Adidas Super64 in the past. These tourneys change names over the years, but it's still the same deal. These are AAU events in Vegas with the top HS players held during one of the sanctioned NCAA evaluation period for all the major college coaches.
The level of play is darn good. Some of the coaches, players, and fans can be a challenge to handle. Personally, I had a few Ts, but no ejections over the years. Although, I witnessed a few warranted ejections.
I've done these games in both a camp situation as well as non-camp for pay.
I do think that it is difficult for the female officials in the camp situations to be put into these games because the vast majority of them work girls HS or women's JC/D2 and don't see the athleticism or level of physical contact that these boys exhibit. I've seen several coaches and players become frustrated with whistles that are tighter than what they are accustomed to having, but never had anyone be a complete @ss about it.
Btw the reverse is true for me. When I'm asked to work a GV/BV HS double-header, I have to make a conscious effort to evaluate contact at an appropriate level for the girls contest. I have made the mistake of letting GV games be too physical and had some unhappy coaches/players.

[Nevadaref]

Decided to post the last few paragraphs of the article for everyone on the forum.
The word is getting out that Lavar is the problem.
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"It’s unclear if Ball’s complaints are valid, or if they’re completely unfounded. But his history suggests that most of the fault here lies with him, and not the referee. Plus, even if the game was officiated poorly, it doesn’t at all excuse his behavior.

Last weekend, the Big Ballers forfeited a game they were winning in the second half when LaVar forced his players to pack up their bags in the middle of the game and leave the gym.

On Friday, he halted a game and forced Adidas — a massive company with control of this entire AAU event — to give into his demands and replace a referee in the middle of a game. That’s unheard of it. And it’s ridiculous.

Why any kid would want to play for LaVar’s AAU team is a mystery. It’s clearly not helping their development as basketball players. And they can’t enjoy having their games ruined by a coach who can’t keep his mouth shut. Whether there is any fallout from this mess remains to be seen."

The plot thickens. 100 bucks says Ed Rush is the "source".

Adidas officials pressure referees to avoid calling technical fouls on LaVar Ball

[bgtg19]

I have two questions about the other game officials: (1) Typically, after a technical foul is called, the calling official will go report the foul and get out of the way so that if a coach (or player) does something that warrants a second technical foul, it is not the same official who is forced to call it. Here, the calling official did that and a different official came over to deal with Ball. The second official seems very patient and is motioning for Ball to head to his bench and have a seat. My question is: given Ball's conduct *after* the first technical was called, do others think Ball deserved a second T? (I recognize that, later in that game, Ball did get a second T - I'm just asking about what is on video in the immediate aftermath of the first call.) (2) I'd like to believe that if I was on the crew with the woman who called the technical, I'd have told the organizers that whether to replace the officiating crew is their call, but they would have to replace the entire crew and not just one official. Do others agree/disagree?

[Player989random]

1. I'm guessing he wanted to keep him there at the request of Adidas. When he pointed at the new Lead and kept going I think the C should've hit him again. However I don't disagree with trying to talk him down as the standard "Not now" coach isn't going to work with him.

2. Having been in a camp with a similar situation (they replaced all 3 of us at the coach's request), I would've left the game if they chose to pull one. I was furious when we were removed and the clinician said "Well, I don't know why y'all were changed, they just asked us to do it". No way in hell I'd let the management run-off a partner on the orders of a coach.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Player989random

2. Having been in a camp with a similar situation (they replaced all 3 of us at the coach's request), I would've left the game if they chose to pull one. I was furious when we were removed and the clinician said "Well, I don't know why y'all were changed, they just asked us to do it". No way in hell I'd let the management run-off a partner on the orders of a coach.

Classic example of clinicians wanting to make sure they get to come back the next year and collect another check rather than having the balls to put their foot down.

Originally Posted by bgtg19

I have two questions about the other game officials: (1) Typically, after a technical foul is called, the calling official will go report the foul and get out of the way so that if a coach (or player) does something that warrants a second technical foul, it is not the same official who is forced to call it. Here, the calling official did that and a different official came over to deal with Ball. The second official seems very patient and is motioning for Ball to head to his bench and have a seat. My question is: given Ball's conduct *after* the first technical was called, do others think Ball deserved a second T? (I recognize that, later in that game, Ball did get a second T - I'm just asking about what is on video in the immediate aftermath of the first call.) (2) I'd like to believe that if I was on the crew with the woman who called the technical, I'd have told the organizers that whether to replace the officiating crew is their call, but they would have to replace the entire crew and not just one official. Do others agree/disagree?

If this is a legit game where I know my decisions will be enforced by game administration I am hitting the coach about 5 seconds after the first tech. Coach CANNOT be on the floor walking around after receiving a technical foul.

[SC Official]

I'm not going to fault the other two crew members for not walking off the court with the female. This was obviously a prestigious camp that they paid a lot of money to be at, and if the clinicians tell you to work, you work. Now, whether the clinicians should have pulled their other guys off and stood up more fervently to the money-hungry organizers, that's a different argument.

But if I'm on this crew there is ZERO chance I stay on the court. Zero.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is the story that I saw. The guy stole my Cry Baby line from a few days ago with his #BigCryBaby. I still like BigBawler!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-b...160917511.html

For the record, I have officiated the LV BigTime and the Adidas Super64 in the past. These tourneys change names over the years, but it's still the same deal. These are AAU events in Vegas with the top HS players held during one of the sanctioned NCAA evaluation period for all the major college coaches.
The level of play is darn good. Some of the coaches, players, and fans can be a challenge to handle. Personally, I had a few Ts, but no ejections over the years. Although, I witnessed a few warranted ejections.
I've done these games in both a camp situation as well as non-camp for pay.
I do think that it is difficult for the female officials in the camp situations to be put into these games because the vast majority of them work girls HS or women's JC/D2 and don't see the athleticism or level of physical contact that these boys exhibit. I've seen several coaches and players become frustrated with whistles that are tighter than what they are accustomed to having, but never had anyone be a complete @ss about it.
Btw the reverse is true for me. When I'm asked to work a GV/BV HS double-header, I have to make a conscious effort to evaluate contact at an appropriate level for the girls contest. I have made the mistake of letting GV games be too physical and had some unhappy coaches/players.

I call advantage / disadvantage. I don't call every bump as some girls officials do. Couldn't care less if coaches and players are unhappy.

She's a D1 official. She can work a game like this 7 days a week.

The whole thing is shameful. At the camp where I was a clinician this past weekend, a coach like this would've been sent home.

Part III: The Saga Continues

Two women part of referee crew in Big Baller Brand game at Adidas Uprising Summer Championships

Found video of the first game mentioned in the article, refereed by the D1 lady.

Watched a few mins of the video. Noticed some things I think ppl can learn from:

0:50, as the administering referee you HAVE to catch the players on the right that have crossed legs. This is also U2's responsibility. Hitting the whistle and coming in as U2 is totally acceptable and important for starting the game off the right way. R should have caught it first though.

1:10, two possessions in and we already have an official bailing on the rebounding action. Rebounding action is best officiated from Slot and Trail who have the best angles. Trail has to stay engaged to the rebounding action instead of bailing the other way to cover the 1 player leaking out. First responsibility is rebounding, then get where you need to be to referee fast break.

1:10, INC Slot. Blue #3 holds his opponent across the arm while contesting for the rebounding. Slot has the A look at this play, Trail has the B look (but he bailed and can't help). This miss then results in Lead having an IC on the player who got fouled! Need to be strong from Slot and come get this play to help out your Lead.

2:16, INC Trail. Extremely tough play to detect, and thus not downgrading the crew for missing this. Blue #10 clamps his opponent's arm restricting his ability to jump. Lead has no look, Slot has no look, Trail could have taken a step away from the sideline towards the middle of the court to have the A look and referee where his partners can't.

3:17, INC Trail. It's early in the game, could have gotten some easy rebounding cleanup fouls here on either player. They get one chance at contesting the rebound, if they want to camp there and keep swiping it's any easy foul to get and will clean up your game. Trail calls one late as the player breaks the pressure but should have gotten one earlier IMO.

3:48 and 3:56, CNC crew. Excellent job officiating the defense and refereeing offense initiated contact. I see a lot of fouls called on this type of play, especially from Trail where it looks most ugly. And good job matching up similar-ish plays on back to back plays. In the 2nd play the defender wasn't legal but offense initiated the contact which was incidental.

4:43, not the way to come give information. I would have liked an armbar foul on #4 blue during the full-court drive but a no call here is standard for this type of game. Given no foul call from Slot, Lead correctly had the ball last touching the offensive player. Then Slot decides to come (halfway) with information changing the call. This looks terrible. First off, he's wrong. Second, he only goes halfway instead of going all the way to his partner. Third, it is early in the game and everyone accepted the call with minimal protestation. Not the time to waste a correction IMO, unless extremely obvious which this was not. If no one is asking for a change, don't go. Corrections are for those plays that EVERYONE knows are wrong. And by the time the correction is made all the players are on the other end of the court. Looks bad.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Watched a few mins of the video. Noticed some things I think ppl can learn from:

0:50, as the administering referee you HAVE to catch the players on the right that have crossed legs. This is also U2's responsibility. Hitting the whistle and coming in as U2 is totally acceptable and important for starting the game off the right way. R should have caught it first though.

...snipped...

4:43, not the way to come give information. I would have liked an armbar foul on #4 blue during the full-court drive but a no call here is standard for this type of game. Given no foul call from Slot, Lead correctly had the ball last touching the offensive player. Then Slot decides to come (halfway) with information changing the call. This looks terrible. First off, he's wrong. Second, he only goes halfway instead of going all the way to his partner. Third, it is early in the game and everyone accepted the call with minimal protestation. Not the time to waste a correction IMO, unless extremely obvious which this was not. If no one is asking for a change, don't go. Corrections are for those plays that EVERYONE knows are wrong. And by the time the correction is made all the players are on the other end of the court. Looks bad.

I don't agree with your first comment as the players look to be more than three feet away from the center circle to me. They are therefore in legal positions.
I agree 100% with your critique about changing the OOB call. It was incorrect and done poorly.

Lastly, did you notice that the floor was basically an NBA court with the HS 3pt line added? They did not alter the NBA FT lane width.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I call advantage / disadvantage. I don't call every bump as some girls officials do. Couldn't care less if coaches and players are unhappy.

She's a D1 official. She can work a game like this 7 days a week.

The whole thing is shameful. At the camp where I was a clinician this past weekend, a coach like this would've been sent home.

I watched the first 8 minutes of the contest to which another poster provided the video below. I thought that she was doing a nice job. The couple of things which I would criticize were both done by her male crew members.

In fact, she makes a crew saving call for the first FTs of the game as C after a goofy rotation situation with a steal on the other end leads to a 1v1 run-out while the crew is poorly positioned.

After that I didn't need to see any more. Lavar is a fool.