Restricted area after/During time-out?

[BDevil15]

Hi all,
Obligatory, I'm a coach not an official, hope you are all having a great summer. So we are playing in a summer league which plays full 8 minute stop clock 5 time outs, high school officials, by the rulebook basketball, not that that really matters except to say that this isn't some fly by night lets just play league officiated by the first 2 parents to walk in the gym.

We score late in the 4th quarter to go up one and the other coach calls a time out with 10 seconds on the clock. We do our time out, the first horn sounds, and the officials beckon us to return to the court. We say our "Team Chant!" and break the huddle and players head for the far end to play defense. Now well before the ball is in bounded, the other coach calls to his point guard to come over to him and my point guard follows him right up to the bench. The coach goes ballistic screaming at my kid saying he cant do that, he's in their huddle(2 man huddle) and just going crazy. My kid who is a Sophomore and not completely sure of himself looks at me and I just shrug my shoulders to see what happens next. The official closest to the bench finally comes over and tells my kid to move away which he does immediately.

But why should he have to? Is there a restricted area around a bench until the ball is returned to play after a time out? After the game both officials said that they could have issued an unsporting T and I just don't see it. Is there something I'm missing?

I have had a similar discussion about players standing near opposing coach during free throw administration and that seems unanimously acceptable.

Curious about what you all think.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

... Is there a restricted area around a bench until the ball is returned to play after a time out?

Yes there is:

RULE 1, SECTION 13 TEAM BENCH LOCATIONS, COACHING BOX, TIME-OUT AREA
ART. 3 The time-out area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle
formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an
imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area
meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

[JRutledge]

If I am understanding this situation correctly, yes there is an area that a players or teams must be during the timeout. But when players are ready to go, they can go anywhere on the court for the most part. It sounds like the timeout was over and the players were getting ready for the game to be restarted. If that is the case, then you do not have to stay in a certain area because the coach is talking to his or her player.

Peace

[Rich]

Another page from the MSU rule book, I'm afraid.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If I am understanding this situation correctly, yes there is an area that a players or teams must be during the timeout. But when players are ready to go, they can go anywhere on the court for the most part. It sounds like the timeout was over and the players were getting ready for the game to be restarted. If that is the case, then you do not have to stay in a certain area because the coach is talking to his or her player.

Once the second horn sounds, ending the timeout, all bets are off.

But if the second horn hasn't sounded, and one of the teams is on the court, ready to go early, that doesn't mean that that team's players can enter their opponent's time out area. That would be unsporting, and should receive an admonishment from the official, "Hey. Get out of there".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once the second horn sounds, ending the timeout, all bets are off.

But if the second horn hasn't sounded, and one of the teams is on the court, ready to go early, that doesn't mean that that team's players can enter their opponent's time out area. That would be unsporting, and should receive an admonishment from the official, "Hey. Get out of there".

I did not read anything that suggested this was before or even after the second horn or even done in a way that violated the rule. The ball being in-bounded is not the demarcation line of where players can be on the court. And I would not likely even give a T in this situation. I would just tell the player to get out of their huddle or go back to their bench. This even happens during active play where players follow an opponent to their bench when their coach is talking. It might be bad form, but it is not illegal under the rules.

PEAce

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not read anything that suggested this was before or even after the second horn ...

Which is why I posted both options for Coach BDevil15, one for before the second horn, and one for after the second horn.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not likely even give a T in this situation. I would just tell the player to get out of their huddle or go back to their bench.

Agree. The player in question would really have to "loose (their) lip" on me to warrant a technical foul.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This even happens during active play where players follow an opponent to their bench when their coach is talking. It might be bad form, but it is not illegal under the rules.

Once again, agree.

[crosscountry55]

Sometimes a timeout ends before the second (or even first) horn sounds if both teams are ready. In any case, if both teams have entered the court and the official is ready to administer the throw-in, I'd definitely consider the timeout area to no longer be applicable.

Had to be there, but based on the description I'd say the opposing coach was in the wrong. As an official, I'd either do nothing or, if it looked like things were about to get animated, I'd have to go tell the opposing coach as delicately as possible that there's nothing illegal about what your player was doing. People can agree or disagree on whether it's in the spirit of fair play, but by rule it's perfectly legal.

You know how some coaches like to have a sideline chat with a player or two during free throws? Every once in a while I hear the opposing coach say to one of his players, "Don't just stand there, go listen in!" Perfectly legal.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Sometimes a timeout ends before the second (or even first) horn sounds if both teams are ready. In any case, if both teams have entered the court and the official is ready to administer the throw-in, I'd definitely consider the timeout area to no longer be applicable.

Good point.

I hate it when this happens and we have to wait for the timeout countdown timer on the scoreboard to reset to the remaining time in the period. Some timekeepers take forever to reset the time, or simply don't know how to do it and we all wait with bated breath for the final countdown.

https://youtu.be/9jK-NcRmVcw

[bob jenkins]

There are some systems where, I've been told, it can't (easily) be done.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

Hi all,
Obligatory, I'm a coach not an official, hope you are all having a great summer. So we are playing in a summer league which plays full 8 minute stop clock 5 time outs, high school officials, by the rulebook basketball, not that that really matters except to say that this isn't some fly by night lets just play league officiated by the first 2 parents to walk in the gym.

...

That depends based on how much the officials are getting paid.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There are some systems where, I've been told, it can't (easily) be done.

When the players ask me why we're waiting, I just tell them that it's a television timeout and we have to wait for the commercial to end.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When the players ask me why we're waiting, I just tell them that it's a television timeout and we have to wait for the commercial to end.

MTD, Sr,

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When the players ask me why we're waiting, I just tell them that it's a television timeout and we have to wait for the commercial to end.

Back in the day - whenever there was a "wait" and I was asked why there was one, I replied, "We're checking to see if your coach bought foul insurance."

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

The coach goes ballistic screaming at my kid saying he cant do that,

Why wouldn't this be an automatic technical foul on the screaming coach? Although no one mentioned it and it wasn't the exact topic, it certainly can feel good to wack a coach...when he is correct. Just because a coach is correct does not give him/her the right to act that way, especially directly in front of the kids.