2017-18 NFHS Comments, POE's

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

To give POE 3 some actual teeth, I would change the concluding sentence to read:

"Assignors must have the courage to back up their their officials who enforce the intentional foul rule properly."

I hate to say it, but I don't think officials are the barrier to change here.


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That is not much of a problem here or at least in my experience. We could use that line with just about anything. If you do not have assignors that back officials for doing their job whether it is intentional fouls, uniform issues or coaching box situations, then we all have some problems with the rules that we are asked to enforce. I tell people here we have 3 layers of rules understanding or application. First we have our assignor that gave us the game. Then we have our state or governing body that sanctions the games and in our case assigns playoffs. And then we have our personal philosophies we have to deal with as well. All of these things play a role in what we do and what our confidence level is to do the job properly.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not much of a problem here or at least in my experience. We could use that line with just about anything.

Almost. I'm just saying there's something unique about IPFs, especially late in games. My experience is that what's observed by the official has to be pretty darn egregious for the assignor or camp clinician to support an IPF. The preferred result, even for the casual bear hug as exemplified in the POE, is typically a common foul and bonus FTs.

So....IMHO, generally speaking there is a disconnect between what the committee wants done and what assignors want done. This puts officials—whom the committee seems to want to blame a paucity in IPFs on—in a tough spot.


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[bucky]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

This puts officials—whom the committee seems to want to blame a paucity in IPFs on—in a tough spot.

Paucity? Wow, have not seen/used that in a long time, only a scantiness.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Almost. I'm just saying there's something unique about IPFs, especially late in games. My experience is that what's observed by the official has to be pretty darn egregious for the assignor or camp clinician to support an IPF. The preferred result, even for the casual bear hug as exemplified in the POE, is typically a common foul and bonus FTs.

So....IMHO, generally speaking there is a disconnect between what the committee wants done and what assignors want done. This puts officials—whom the committee seems to want to blame a paucity in IPFs on—in a tough spot.

That sounds like a local issue, which I am sure we all have to deal with on some level. I get what you are saying, but I think this is not a problem for everyone or even with this rule. But we could say that about other rules as well. Heck we had a state that told us about uniform things and hand-checking and coaching box stuff and had an assignor who basically wanted us to ignore that stuff or said, "In the ........ we are not calling that...." But that was one guy and I over the years have started to slowly not take games for him anymore. I got tired of having to compromise my feelings on rules for a place or conference that was not that spectacular in the first place. Now there are other assignors I work for that have no issues with our enforcing rules and they support you when you do. So this seems to me like something that might be accepted in some areas and others areas not so much.

Peace

[so cal lurker]

As a parent of a varsity player, I'm really curious to see what actually happens with IPFs next year. It seems to me that from time to time there is a focus and more IPFs are called, but then things drift back. The fouls at the end of the game seem so ingrained that it is really hard to change.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I'm really curious to see what actually happens with IPFs next year.

Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, we've had no issues with intentional fouls. We're all pretty much on the same page, even most of the coaches. We all call intentional fouls when there is contact away from the ball with an opponent who is clearly not involved with a play; when the contact is not a legitimate attempt to play defense (defense grabs the jersey, or pushes from behind, or bear hugs the offensive player); when there is excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball; or when there is contact with a thrower-in.

We (officials, players, coaches, even a few fans) all realize that fouling late in a close game is a legitimate strategy, but the players better avoid the above mentioned acts or the fouled player will get two shots and his team will get the ball back at the site of the foul.