NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Baseball has coaches at 1st and 3rd base. The manager/HC can actually come out to the mound and talk to the pitcher. Football coaches are allowed to go 20 yards on either sided of the 50 yard line.

Basketball coaches are not even allowed to half court, nor are they allowed to even come out on to the court during time-outs. They don't get to go out to the free throw line and settle down a player.

Your comparisons are not making much sense in this context.

Also in football a coach and come out to the middle of the field during the timeout if they choose.

Again I like the change because even if I am the Lead and the coach comes to me, I can say something back to him without likely having to yell. Why is this any different than when the coach comes to me in the Center position?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I honestly can't see why or how anyone would be upset with extending the box. We have so much administrative nonsense that the NFHS requires us to deal with, and this is making our job easier. The only thing different for me is that now the coach can come down to the end line and chew my ass when I'm at L and I can't penalize him for being outside the box, but I can now officially warn or perhaps even whack him for his behavior.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Again I like the change because even if I am the Lead and the coach comes to me, I can say something back to him without likely having to yell.

Agree, and agree again. I welcome the change. And I started officiating when coaches were seatbelted for 99% of the game.

[JRutledge]

Two-Hand Reporting

Peace

[BryanV21]

NFHS is trying to market their coaches like in college? Seriously?

How many college basketball coaches can you name? I'm pretty darn sure it's a tiny fraction of the 351 head coaches for division 1 teams (assuming each school has a head coach under contract at this time).

I've been officiating for 9 years now in and around Columbus, OH? You know how many coaches I can name? None. To be fair I'm not from Columbus, or even Ohio. I'm from central New York. However, when I was still playing in high school, do you know how many basketball coaches I could name in the league I played in? 1... mine.

Marketing in college is about the school... not any individual. A school may use certain individuals in marketing, but as time goes on it's the individual schools that fans relate to and continue with... not any one person.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

NFHS is trying to market their coaches like in college? Seriously?

How many college basketball coaches can you name? I'm pretty darn sure it's a tiny fraction of the 351 head coaches for division 1 teams (assuming each school has a head coach under contract at this time).

Market them? Market them how? What am I missing here? And yes I can name many coaches at the top level in most major conferences. Or I can name a coach and where he used to coach after he was fired or jumped to another level or position. If you follow Men's college basketball, it is rare that I do not know something about the coaches in the Final Four. Been watching Mark Few for years and of course remember Roy Williams from Kansas and now North Carolina. I only mention that because in my state where we have over 800 schools total I do remember or know of many of the more successful coaches by name and know something about their programs or success, the same way I do for college on a different scale.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I've been officiating for 9 years now in and around Columbus, OH? You know how many coaches I can name? None. To be fair I'm not from Columbus, or even Ohio. I'm from central New York. However, when I was still playing in high school, do you know how many basketball coaches I could name in the league I played in? 1... mine.

Well I have been doing this for over 20 and it is rare that I work a game that I have not seen the coach or know the coach. Even in the playoffs I have had coaches often that I have had at some point during the my career like today where I worked some summer games and two of the coaches I have had before during regular season games and summer games.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Marketing in college is about the school... not any individual. A school may use certain individuals in marketing, but as time goes on it's the individual schools that fans relate to and continue with... not any one person.

OK, I am still a little lost on your point. If we are talking about the coaching box, I do not know what that has to do with any marketing?

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Market them? Market them how? What am I missing here? And yes I can name many coaches at the top level in most major conferences. Or I can name a coach and where he used to coach after he was fired or jumped to another level or position. If you follow Men's college basketball, it is rare that I do not know something about the coaches in the Final Four. Been watching Mark Few for years and of course remember Roy Williams from Kansas and now North Carolina. I only mention that because in my state where we have over 800 schools total I do remember or know of many of the more successful coaches by name and know something about their programs or success, the same way I do for college on a different scale.



Well I have been doing this for over 20 and it is rare that I work a game that I have not seen the coach or know the coach. Even in the playoffs I have had coaches often that I have had at some point during the my career like today where I worked some summer games and two of the coaches I have had before during regular season games and summer games.



OK, I am still a little lost on your point. If we are talking about the coaching box, I do not know what that has to do with any marketing?

Peace

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

I'm like you when it comes to coaches, I know only a few by name. I'm not from where I live, the military brought me here. I went to a college camp this weekend with 4 guys from my HS board and I didn't know any of the folks they were talking about, players and coaches. And really, I don't care if I ever get to know any of the coaches.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

All I am saying is I am confused with what does knowing coaches names have to do with the rules changes? If you know them or do not know them is not relevant to anything we are discussing honestly. I know coaches names but that is because you see guys come and go from one place to another. Heck most coaches are long gone from the time you see them anyway. I do not really understand why anything we really do is about them. The only thing that seems to matter in rules changes are that coaches have more influence on the rules changes than officials do.

Peace