NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

NFHS is trying to market their coaches like in college? Seriously?

How many college basketball coaches can you name? I'm pretty darn sure it's a tiny fraction of the 351 head coaches for division 1 teams (assuming each school has a head coach under contract at this time).

Market them? Market them how? What am I missing here? And yes I can name many coaches at the top level in most major conferences. Or I can name a coach and where he used to coach after he was fired or jumped to another level or position. If you follow Men's college basketball, it is rare that I do not know something about the coaches in the Final Four. Been watching Mark Few for years and of course remember Roy Williams from Kansas and now North Carolina. I only mention that because in my state where we have over 800 schools total I do remember or know of many of the more successful coaches by name and know something about their programs or success, the same way I do for college on a different scale.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I've been officiating for 9 years now in and around Columbus, OH? You know how many coaches I can name? None. To be fair I'm not from Columbus, or even Ohio. I'm from central New York. However, when I was still playing in high school, do you know how many basketball coaches I could name in the league I played in? 1... mine.

Well I have been doing this for over 20 and it is rare that I work a game that I have not seen the coach or know the coach. Even in the playoffs I have had coaches often that I have had at some point during the my career like today where I worked some summer games and two of the coaches I have had before during regular season games and summer games.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Marketing in college is about the school... not any individual. A school may use certain individuals in marketing, but as time goes on it's the individual schools that fans relate to and continue with... not any one person.

OK, I am still a little lost on your point. If we are talking about the coaching box, I do not know what that has to do with any marketing?

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Market them? Market them how? What am I missing here? And yes I can name many coaches at the top level in most major conferences. Or I can name a coach and where he used to coach after he was fired or jumped to another level or position. If you follow Men's college basketball, it is rare that I do not know something about the coaches in the Final Four. Been watching Mark Few for years and of course remember Roy Williams from Kansas and now North Carolina. I only mention that because in my state where we have over 800 schools total I do remember or know of many of the more successful coaches by name and know something about their programs or success, the same way I do for college on a different scale.



Well I have been doing this for over 20 and it is rare that I work a game that I have not seen the coach or know the coach. Even in the playoffs I have had coaches often that I have had at some point during the my career like today where I worked some summer games and two of the coaches I have had before during regular season games and summer games.



OK, I am still a little lost on your point. If we are talking about the coaching box, I do not know what that has to do with any marketing?

Peace

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

I'm like you when it comes to coaches, I know only a few by name. I'm not from where I live, the military brought me here. I went to a college camp this weekend with 4 guys from my HS board and I didn't know any of the folks they were talking about, players and coaches. And really, I don't care if I ever get to know any of the coaches.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I mistakenly responded to amusedofficial's post without quoting him.

I know other officials know coach's names, and there are people much more knowledgeable than me when it comes to coaches in the NCAA, but I do not agree that coaches are used for marketing... outside of a few schools like Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke. Same as in high school.

BTW, there was one coach who retired recently that was well known around these parts, however I can only remember him by his nickname.

All I am saying is I am confused with what does knowing coaches names have to do with the rules changes? If you know them or do not know them is not relevant to anything we are discussing honestly. I know coaches names but that is because you see guys come and go from one place to another. Heck most coaches are long gone from the time you see them anyway. I do not really understand why anything we really do is about them. The only thing that seems to matter in rules changes are that coaches have more influence on the rules changes than officials do.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All I am saying is I am confused with what does knowing coaches names have to do with the rules changes? If you know them or do not know them is not relevant to anything we are discussing honestly. I know coaches names but that is because you see guys come and go from one place to another. Heck most coaches are long gone from the time you see them anyway. I do not really understand why anything we really do is about them. The only thing that seems to matter in rules changes are that coaches have more influence on the rules changes than officials do.

Peace

I responded to a message claiming the NFHS wants to market coaches like they allegedly do in college ball. My knowledge of coaches at both levels, seeing as how I've officiated at one level for nine years and watched the other level for around 30, is absolutely relevant.

Now, if you don't like the topic of this thread being hijacked, I'm sorry. You'd be right to be upset, as that's not cool. But I find it funny that you've chosen to go after me and not say a word to the person that changed the subject in the first place.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I responded to a message claiming the NFHS wants to market coaches like they allegedly do in college ball. My knowledge of coaches at both levels, seeing as how I've officiated at one level for nine years and watched the other level for around 30, is absolutely relevant.

Now, if you don't like the topic of this thread being hijacked, I'm sorry. You'd be right to be upset, as that's not cool. But I find it funny that you've chosen to go after me and not say a word to the person that changed the subject in the first place.

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I did not make a comment about not liking the thread. Just commenting on your comments. I just did not see why this had anything to do with the rules changes. That is pretty much it. It is not about you personally. It is about the relevance to the bigger picture here.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not make a comment about not liking the thread. Just commenting on your comments. I just did not see why this had anything to do with the rules changes. That is pretty much it. It is not about you personally. It is about the relevance to the bigger picture here.

Peace

I responded to a comment where that information is relevant.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I responded to a comment where that information is relevant.

And I comment to that comment. Now what?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... you see guys come and go from one place to another. Heck most coaches are long gone from the time you see them anyway.

Same thing here in Connecticut. Back in the 1980's, when I started officiating, teachers here in Connecticut were not very well paid. Many teachers would teach summer school, teach driver's education, paint houses, or coach one, or more, sports, to earn some extra money to support their families. I was teaching back then, and I coached basketball, officiated basketball, worked summer basketball camps, and was a bartender at a golf course. Coaching was a great gig, and coaches would often hang around for dozens of years.

Now, teachers are much better paid than in the past. The supplemental money that comes from coaching isn't as important as it used to be. New coaches appear, coach for a few years, realize that they really don't need the money in exchange for the time commitment, and the grief from parents, athletic directors, principals, etc., and resign. The most common reason cited for leaving the coaching profession is that coaches want to watch their kids grow up, and want to watch their kids play town, middle school, and high school sports.

It's like a coaching revolving door around here. Until I walk into a gymnasium, I'm never 100% sure who the coach will be.

[kda89508]

They just added to the two hand foul reporting today.

http://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-...oul-reporting/

Kevin