NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Why don't/shouldn't they have a place in HS hoops?

Everybody that is in the NBA are professionals and very well trained and even evaluated on every little detail. We are not that even at the NCAA level in some cases. The table people are paid to do a job at the NBA. You might be lucky other than D1 if the person doing the shot clock is not some kid they got from the Lacrosse team. So many of the things the NBA tries or does is because they are dealing with much more competent and extensively trained officials. There are many officials that do not know when to rotate and we want to add things that they cannot even do properly that would be basic at the NBA level.

Peace

[SC Official]

Some of the NCAAW mechanics (which are also NBA mechanics) I love and wish we had in NFHS. All those mechanics are not anything that require a higher "skill" level than the average high school referee.

That being said, I agree that NBA mechanics don't belong in high school simply because NBA officials, the best in the world, use them. (I think they call that argument post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it's been awhile since I took philosophy.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Some of the NCAAW mechanics (which are also NBA mechanics) I love and wish we had in NFHS. All those mechanics are not anything that require a higher "skill" level than the average high school referee.

That being said, I agree that NBA mechanics don't belong in high school simply because NBA officials, the best in the world, use them. (I think they call that argument post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it's been awhile since I took philosophy.)

Yes, we have mechanics because "the best in the world" use them so that is great logic for a level that has totally different rules and philosophies on all kinds of things.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes, we have mechanics because "the best in the world" use them so that is great logic for a level that has totally different rules and philosophies on all kinds of things.

Peace

I'm not sure if you could tell or not, but I was agreeing with you and Rich, not disagreeing. There are NBA mechanics I prefer to NFHS, but we shouldn't implement them in high school just for the sake of being like the NBA.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I'm not sure if you could tell or not, but I was agreeing with you and Rich, not disagreeing. There are NBA mechanics I prefer to NFHS, but we shouldn't implement them in high school just for the sake of being like the NBA.

I was not commenting on whether you agreed with me or not. I think the "best in the world" argument runs hollow to me and why I commented.

I was not talking about things like two-handed reporting or walking and talking, I am talking about primary coverages and philosophy for the most part the NBA holds. I think the NBA and even NCAA official is much more trained and competent to do some things. And the reality is that the NCAA has different rules which also would not easily apply to their level based on the NBA positions. At the high school level we have people that have never officiated before, that will officiate a game in the coming year. Or we have people that can hardly put two things together at the same time. Or better yet get certain officials to stop ball watching. Those are things that the NBA likely does not have to worry about in their systems. That was my point.

Peace

[The_Rookie]

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

This is the best day of my life!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

I don't care whether reporting is done with one or two hands. Just be the same for everyone.
Boo, hiss on recording a warning in the book for behavior. That behavior should be a T. Officials are just afraid to make that call.

Not looking forward to seeing what the NFHS screwed up with their editorial changes.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

Someone with supposed "inside information" made a similar comment last year. The pot was stirred, we all held our breath, and then nothing happened.

So I'll believe it when I see it.



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[Freddy]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

If the Officials Manual gives us 2-handed reporting, I hope they have the presence of mind to revise 2-9-1 to match.

And while they're at it, maybe get rid of that "Back to the Future" RULING in 9.12.

Then maybe also put the word "legally" back into 4-42-5a because omitting it doesn't make any difference unless they revise 6-4-5 and 6.4.5 to give us something totally different than what we're accustomed to.

And since clean ups is the topic of the day, why not correct all of the old references to 20 seconds in the rules book and casebook that last year changed to 15 seconds.

And why not mention this: please don't give us any POE's without an associated rule change.

Or should I just turn to face the strain and be satisfied with less than correct?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that . . .

Did the wizard you saw there pulling the levers happen to utter the words, "Go opposite table"?

[walt]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

A peek from behind the curtain for me as well confirms these plus States have the option to adopt the 28 foot coaches box. Points of emphasis will be freedom of movement, bench decorum, and rough play in the post.

Obviously we will need to wait for official press release but my source is one who was in the room of the meeting.

[IncorrectCall]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Some of the NCAAW mechanics (which are also NBA mechanics) I love and wish we had in NFHS. All those mechanics are not anything that require a higher "skill" level than the average high school referee.

That being said, I agree that NBA mechanics don't belong in high school simply because NBA officials, the best in the world, use them. (I think they call that argument post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it's been awhile since I took philosophy.)

Agreed with your last point - but using a set of mechanics because an entity (NBA) puts the most time and money (in the form of research) of any other entity in order to put out the best product for the game is a great reason to use them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IncorrectCall

Agreed with your last point - but using a set of mechanics because an entity (NBA) puts the most time and money (in the form of research) of any other entity in order to put out the best product for the game is a great reason to use them.

Is the NF going to put in a system to invest in the officiating staff that the NBA uses?

Peace

[IncorrectCall]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is the NF going to put in a system to invest in the officiating staff that the NBA uses?

Peace

Meaning? We are talking about mechanics, not officiating skill/talent.

It takes no certain level of the latter to use a set of mechanics.