NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The NCAAM post-season NIT tournament reset the fouls at 9:59 remaining of each half. This was done during play. No stoppage needed.

It's clear to me that any states playing in halves would simply take this approach.

I hope that gimmicky mess does not spread. If you want to reset the foul count, then play by quarters.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I hope that gimmicky mess does not spread. If you want to reset the foul count, then play by quarters.

+1. Or honor the intent of two shots at 5, but simplify modify to two shots at 10 for games played in halves. Still gets rid of 1-and-1, which would reduce rough play and sometimes goofy penalty administration on free throws (the main reason NCAAW made their switch two years ago).

If anyone is annoyed by my trivial posts....sorry. It's April, and I'm kind of bored.


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[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

+1. Or honor the intent of two shots at 5, but simplify modify to two shots at 10 for games played in halves. Still gets rid of 1-and-1, which would reduce rough play and sometimes goofy penalty administration on free throws (the main reason NCAAW made their switch two years ago).

That was the rule at the AAU tournament my son just played.

I'm personally dubious about it limiting rough play. Sure, you eliminate a few free throw rebounding events, but you also lessen the consequences of fouls because it takes longer to get to bonus. Seems to me you just get different rough play from it.

(And maybe I'm biased here, too, as back in the dark ages when I played, I worked really hard on getting offensive rebounds on FTs -- which was also easier before they moved the defender a slot further from the bucket.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I hope that gimmicky mess does not spread. If you want to reset the foul count, then play by quarters.

Totally agree but even the reset IMO is unnecessary.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Still gets rid of 1-and-1, which would reduce rough play and sometimes goofy penalty administration on free throws (the main reason NCAAW made their switch two years ago).

I still think there is a premium in making FTs. And I think you should have to make them with the idea that the other team will get the ball if you miss.

Also I think all of that would be good if we played a longer game. Thirty-Two minutes is not a lot of time. And if a team plays a certain way you will never get to 10 fouls. Now you are promoting for fouls that will not result in FTs at a certain point of the game. I just do not like that standard. I will adjust if this is a change, but I am not sure what they are trying to accomplish other than being the same as another level, when the biggest amateur level does not even use that rule or play quarters.

Peace

[Rich]

My biggest concern with waiting till 10 for the bonus in halves is that if a team only has 3 fouls and they need 7 take fouls.....it would get kind of ridiculous.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rich

My biggest concern with waiting till 10 for the bonus in halves is that if a team only has 3 fouls and they need 7 take fouls.....it would get kind of ridiculous.

I agree. Im not sure id do anything different. Waiting til 10 fouls for any FTs will certainly benefit defense. I think with rule changes etc and my opinion of game, i want free flowing movement. Cutters get to cut, dribblers dribble etc. I might actually favor less fouls to reach bonus. 10 fouls promotes aggressive play. Now, if we reduce bonus to 5 fouls im not sure that teams would adjust because kids cant make FTs these days. All is above my pay grade. Id have to think a lot more to decide what i think would be best...

[BlueDevilRef]

As someone who has only done this a few years, can someone please tell me why two handed reporting is such a big deal? I don't understand why. And I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

As someone who has only done this a few years, can someone please tell me why two handed reporting is such a big deal? I don't understand why. And I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

It's provocative, it gets the people going.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

A peek behind the curtain reveals that 2 handed reporting and putting a warning in the book for bench decorum issues that do not rise to the level of a Tech are now part of the NFHS. Plus some editorial clean ups

I'll believe it when I see it, but I will cry tears of joy if it turns out to be as reality.

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

As someone who has only done this a few years, can someone please tell me why two handed reporting is such a big deal? I don't understand why. And I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

It looks stronger and less robotic than one hand. One hand reporting is a dinosaur and no longer allowed at any level other than NFHS. The reasonings behind it being mandated at the high school level are largely unfounded. I've never worked a game where I used two hands and the table wasn't able to understand which number I was reporting.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

As someone who has only done this a few years, can someone please tell me why two handed reporting is such a big deal? I don't understand why. And I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

It is because the big dogs do it that way. If they change back to 1 hand in 3-4 years, everyone will be clamoring for 1 hand reporting.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is because the big dogs do it that way. If they change back to 1 hand in 3-4 years, everyone will be clamoring for 1 hand reporting.

For me, it's the fact that there's NO WAY with 2 handed reporting to catch only the beginning or the end of the report. You get it ALL with one signal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

For me, it's the fact that there's NO WAY with 2 handed reporting to catch only the beginning or the end of the report. You get it ALL with one signal.

And we have officials that cannot get on hand reporting right and now we are going to add something they do not likely understand.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And we have officials that cannot get on hand reporting right and now we are going to add something they do not likely understand.

Peace

What is so difficult about two-hand reporting that the overwhelming majority of high school officials wouldn't be able to "get"? It's not rocket science.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

As someone who has only done this a few years, can someone please tell me why two handed reporting is such a big deal? I don't understand why. And I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

They mostly want to look like the pros. I see no other reason that makes sense.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Dyslexic officials. Dyslexic scorekeepers.

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm not sure I'm smart enough to use two hands!!

It has nothing to do with being smart, or intelligent.