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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:03pm
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Is Meeks correct that Tillie traveled after the defensive rebound?

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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:12pm
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Is Meeks correct that Tillet traveled after the defensive rebound?

Yes. But it took me ten replays to come to that conclusion. So I'm plenty ok with that no call.




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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:14pm
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That is not a FF1, or even a foul on Berry
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:31pm
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That is not a FF1, or even a foul on Berry
Both the Lead and Trail officials had a whistle for the foul on Berry....and in real time I had a foul as well.

FF1 is acceptable on video review, especially nowadays.
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Old Tue Apr 04, 2017, 09:49am
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That is not a FF1, or even a foul on Berry
That's what I said. Berry didn't foul and then the contact by Karnowski was not flagrant.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:14pm
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8:02, the first foul and then the FF1. 21 fouls called in the second half with 8:02 left on the clock.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:16pm
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8:02 left 2nd half
Call on the floor is a foul against Berry.
Video review is a FF1 on Karnowski.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:32pm
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8:02 left 2nd half

Call on the floor is a foul against Berry.

Video review is a FF1 on Karnowski.


Called it as s DPF, got that. But Gonzaga had team control going in. So that tells me that in NCAAM, when one part is of greater severity, the offended team shoots last and gets the ball. Do I have that right?

In NFHS, as I was reminded a few weeks ago, there are no FTs and you resume with POI, regardless if one part of the DPF was more severe.


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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:45pm
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Call on the floor was a held ball.
Was Meeks OOB?
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:50pm
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Call on the floor was a held ball.
Was Meeks OOB?
I saw that too. His right arm was out of bounds while he was in contact with the ball.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 11:39pm
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Call on the floor was a held ball.
Was Meeks OOB?
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I saw that too. His right arm was out of bounds while he was in contact with the ball.
Can't fault Eades for that IMO, Meeks' arm was OOB for tenths of a second, while he was watching for a held ball between two and then three players.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 11:46pm
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Can't fault Eades for that IMO, Meeks' arm was OOB for tenths of a second, while he was watching for a held ball between two and then three players.
except it wasn't a held ball when he was OOB
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Old Tue Apr 04, 2017, 12:14am
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Can't fault Eades for that IMO, Meeks' arm was OOB for tenths of a second, while he was watching for a held ball between two and then three players.
Do you think he faults himself for missing it?
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Old Tue Apr 04, 2017, 03:17am
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Call on the floor was a held ball.
Was Meeks OOB?
Officiating at this level has become so difficult. The HDTV cameras have all the angles and the slo-mo to catch everything which we humans miss in live action from our vantage point. I used to think that I wanted to work the ESPN games and the D1 tournament someday. Not anymore. I don't want that kind of scrutiny and the BS that Higgins had to deal with from the Kentucky fans. It just isn't worth it. Besides there's more money in coaching.

As for my above quoted post...yep, Meeks was out of bounds. Photos of it have now been published. Unfortunate, and not reviewable.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/of...064537595.html
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Old Tue Apr 04, 2017, 08:06am
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So as officials, the key to all the video being shown with the scrutiny of how "bad" they called the game isn't always going to be judgement calls where, was it a foul or not a foul? Was he in or out? Yes, the video will show it and it will be "obvious" at that point. But in real time, we all know this is a difficult job to process all that is happening i.e. the hand touching the out-of-bounds on the tie up. Watch that play in real time and you'll see how quickly his hand hit and was pulled back.

The key with the video is the positioning and many great officials understand this. To get calls correct, you need to be in the proper positioning. Eades may not have seen the hand because he was too close to the play as it was right at his feet. Backing out with a wider angle may have allowed him to see the hand touch.

The first foul of the game from the Slot, did he even have an angle to see the play? Was he reaching out of his primary. What was the vantage point from T? Where was each official looking on that play at that time?

We know every call and non call will be looked at because of the tape these days, but it's how you use the tape to your advantage to get better and not worry about how it will be microscoped and used against you.
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