Goaltending ...

[BillyMac]

NFHS question: What if a defensive player did this, but while the ball was on it's upward flight, outside of the cylinder?

I know that it's illegal for the ball to go through the basket from below, but what about a player's hand going through the basket from below on an otherwise legal blocked shot play.

[diehardmason]

NFHS question: What if a defensive player did this, but while the ball was on it's upward flight, outside of the cylinder?

I know that it's illegal for the ball to go through the basket from below, but what about a player's hand going through the basket from below on an otherwise legal blocked shot play (realizing that the play in the video may not have been legal).[/QUOTE]


I would think that going through the goal for a block attempt is illegal and regardless of the ball's status up or down during flight is irrelevant. I just read through the rule book and case book and haven't found anything but will continue to look.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS question: What if a defensive player did this, but while the ball was on it's upward flight, outside of the cylinder? I know that it's illegal for the ball to go through the basket from below, but what about a player's hand going through the basket from below on an otherwise legal blocked shot play.

Found it. It's not goaltending, it's basket interference.

NFHS 4-6: Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while
the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary
cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
ART. 3 Touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the
basket from below.
ART. 4 Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the
ring returns to its original position.

[ronny mulkey]

After seeing the NCAA's statement on this missed call, what are the ramifications to the officials on the game?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

After seeing the NCAA's statement on this missed call, what are the ramifications to the officials on the game?

One would have to imagine that T and C may not be working next weekend. They are probably painfully aware of that as well.

Unfortunate miss, but the NCAA tournament is an officiating glass house, and officials understand the accountability involved.



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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Found it. It's not goaltending, it's basket interference.

It's BI in NCAA as well.

You should know that the terms are interchangeable to the announcers and just look in both when you have a question about what they are saying.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

One would have to imagine that T and C may not be working next weekend.

Let's hope not! Both of those officials are Final Four quality having worked the Elite Eight in recent years.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Let's hope not! Both of those officials are Final Four quality having worked the Elite Eight in recent years.

So is Doug Sirmons. And that weird OOB call that was not on his line doomed him last year. Normally he's a shoe-in final four official.

But I understand your sentiment and I agree with you in that context.


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Let's hope not! Both of those officials are Final Four quality having worked the Elite Eight in recent years.

You know, there's gotta be SOME criteria for JD Collins to use to narrow the field from Week 1 to Week 2 to the Final Four.

Why shouldn't it be a missed call that decides such a thing?

Those guys know what's at stake. They sign on for it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

You know, there's gotta be SOME criteria for JD Collins to use to narrow the field from Week 1 to Week 2 to the Final Four.

Why shouldn't it be a missed call that decides such a thing?

Those guys know what's at stake. They sign on for it.

I agree. There are plenty of "Final Four" officials to choose from. IOW there are more than 6 guys that can work those 2 games.

[ronny mulkey]

Do they public with the decision? Or, do you just not see them around any longer?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Do they public with the decision? Or, do you just not see them around any longer?

I think there is a press release sent out after the regional finals on the pool of officials who make the final four (floors + alternates listed in one group). In other words, you find out who didn't make it that way, too.

I don't think there's a similar press release sent after the first weekend.


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[Adam]

I doubt they'll say "Bob and Steve would have made it, but they missed that one call so we are sending Tim and John instead."

You'll just see who makes it and who doesn't.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I doubt they'll say "Bob and Steve would have made it, but they missed that one call so we are sending Tim and John instead."

You'll just see who makes it and who doesn't.

And frankly that system would be far better than one where they use the "he went last year, why not take him again" one that isn't nonexistent in the officiating world.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

And frankly that system would be far better than one where they use the "he went last year, why not take him again" one that isn't nonexistent in the officiating world.

I'm sure it'll be taken into account: it's only one call, and it was tough to see in real time, but as you noted, that's how it works when officials have to be narrowed down in some way. It's going to be the little things that separate them. Hopefully the L doesn't suffer along with them.