Duke/Carolina Back Court

[Stillblind]

I just found it on YouTube. 10:04 in the 1st half. Thanks for your patience.

[JRutledge]

Here is the play. Sorry to bust your balls, but it is hard to find all the close plays, especially the ones not called. Thanks for looking.



Peace

[BillyMac]

Hard to see from the angle in the video, but I don't believe that it's a backcourt violation.

[Raymond]

Definitely did not dribble to the backcourt. That's why I always like to the see video cuz you cannot always be sure that the play is being accurately described.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Definitely did not dribble to the backcourt. That's why I always like to the see video cuz you cannot always be sure that the play is being accurately described.

White #1 definitely recovered the ball (touching is sufficient) in the front court and then stepped in the backcourt and, as you said, did not dribble in the backcourt.

Next, there are two possibilities.

1. Was the player touching the ball while touching the backcourt? If so, it would be a violation.

2. Was the catch and release a dribble or just a bat? If a dribble, most would consider that a violation for being a dribbler who stepped on the division line (that despite the fact that the rules don't actually say that). If not a dribble, then it would not be a violation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

White #1 definitely recovered the ball (touching is sufficient) in the front court and then stepped in the backcourt and, as you said, did not dribble in the backcourt.

Next, there are two possibilities.

1. Was the player touching the ball while touching the backcourt? If so, it would be a violation.

2. Was the catch and release a dribble or just a bat? If a dribble, most would consider that a violation for being a dribbler who stepped on the division line (that despite the fact that the rules don't actually say that). If not a dribble, then it would not be a violation.

Good analysis.
1. No, he was never both in contact with the ball and the backcourt at the same time.
2. I deem that a bat without control. Per the Case Book play which we discussed a couple of weeks ago (4.15 Comment), when a player slaps the ball away from others attempting to get it that is not a dribble.

It's close, but I don't have a violation on the play.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hard to see from the angle in the video, but I don't believe that it's a backcourt violation.

I agree. The way I see this play is the UNC player touches the ball in the front court, then while the ball is out of his hand and in the dribble he steps into the backcourt, but reestablishes the position in the front court before retouching the ball.

[JeffM]

I think it is a dribble and a backcourt violation.

[nolanjj68]

It looks to me he reestablished control with both feet in the front court then stepped into the backcourt. Backcourt violation.

[Old Man Ref]

right after the UNC player regains control and passes the ball, there appears to be a travel violation not called.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I think it is a dribble and a backcourt violation.

Is it a dribble or interrupted dribble?
There is no player control during the latter.

I don't even think that it is a dribble per the Case Book, but that is another debate.

[OKREF]

Controls ball with both feet in the FC, dribbles behind his back. One foot lands in BC, that foot then rises off of floor and he touches ball with one foot on the floor, and the foot that was in the BC is in the air. What's his location?

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Is it a dribble or interrupted dribble?
There is no player control during the latter.

I don't even think that it is a dribble per the Case Book, but that is another debate.

I can see where it could be judged an interrupted dribble.

I think it was a dribble. He pushed the ball to the floor with one hand and behind his back so the ball would be just where he knew it would be when the ball returned from the floor and he returned from having one foot in the backcourt. I think he had control of the ball when he pushed it to the floor.