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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 06:38pm
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About 35 seconds into the long version, there's an apparent prelim double-foul signal that apparently goes AWOL
Or he was just stopping play to talk to the players. Not unheard of.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 07:54pm
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Looks like kid called a TO. Hopefully the officials had expressed that to the coach. If they did and he still acted that way I don't understand how he didn't get the boot earlier.

Man, why did that official walk so far away while the coach followed him. I would have tossed him once I got past the halfcourt and he was still following me. I wouldn't leave this one up to my partner. Although it was nice of his partner to NOT step between, and wait until he hit the stands and had no where else to go.
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Old Thu Mar 02, 2017, 04:54pm
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Had a varsity HS game years ago when the table told me Team A had 1 timeout left. I informed the assistant of Team A they had 1 left. Later in the fourth quarter Team A called a timeout, I went to the Table and reported and the table informed me that Team A had no more timeouts. I now become the villain of course. Taught me a lesson to never tell either team how many timeouts they have left except when they have none. I would assume the officials knew that that team had no more timeouts. Can you ignore the request (Google Paul Silas Celtics triple overtime game in 1976), and the aforementioned Chris Webber game) knowing that the team has no timeouts and it would result in a technical foul? Just sayin...
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Old Thu Mar 02, 2017, 05:17pm
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Had a varsity HS game years ago when the table told me Team A had 1 timeout left. I informed the assistant of Team A they had 1 left. Later in the fourth quarter Team A called a timeout, I went to the Table and reported and the table informed me that Team A had no more timeouts. I now become the villain of course. Taught me a lesson to never tell either team how many timeouts they have left except when they have none. I would assume the officials knew that that team had no more timeouts. Can you ignore the request (Google Paul Silas Celtics triple overtime game in 1976), and the aforementioned Chris Webber game) knowing that the team has no timeouts and it would result in a technical foul? Just sayin...
No, you cannot ignore the request. There's specific instruction not to do so.

You'll note that no one except other officials ever really questions whether this should be called. No one even knows who the officials were in that Webber game. You ignore it, and the other coach is going to have a right to go ballistic. I'd much rather explain that #3 requested a timeout than explain why I ignored what was right in front of me.
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Old Fri Mar 03, 2017, 12:13am
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Can you ignore the request ... knowing that the team has no timeouts and it would result in a technical foul? Just sayin...
Do your ignore contact fouls too just because they are dumb fouls, especially when the other team is in the bonus?

Do you ignore when a player steps OOB even though they had plenty of room to stay inbounds but were not paying attention?
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Old Fri Mar 03, 2017, 12:58am
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Do your ignore contact fouls too just because they are dumb fouls, especially when the other team is in the bonus?

Do you ignore when a player steps OOB even though they had plenty of room to stay inbounds but were not paying attention?
I get your point however, there are times when ignoring rules is prescribed. Specific situations and intentions may require it.

Right or wrong, I can easily see where many officials would have ignored this alleged TO request.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 10:03pm
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The HC went nuts and was in his face a long while before he issued the 2nd T.
That official just kept backing up all the way across the court and let the coach follow him. It wasn't until he backed into the crowd that he realized he wasn't getting help from his partners and had to send him packing himself. Partners needed to step up there.
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That official just kept backing up all the way across the court and let the coach follow him. It wasn't until he backed into the crowd that he realized he wasn't getting help from his partners and had to send him packing himself. Partners needed to step up there.
Actually it was the partner that gave the T. But why it took that long is beyond me. I think this is why we have to get rid of the addige, "We should not give both Ts on a coach." That has always been silly to me and here is why it is silly. And I would not have been backing up all the way across the court either.

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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 10:30pm
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Actually it was the partner that gave the T. But why it took that long is beyond me. I think this is why we have to get rid of the addige, "We should not give both Ts on a coach." That has always been silly to me and here is why it is silly. And I would not have been backing up all the way across the court either.



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I assigned 2 games where an official double tapped the coach. In both instances, it's cause the official felt like it was his duty to get close to the table and report the technical like it was just another foul.

This doesn't fit that scenario. That coach needed to go.....sooner.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 10:56pm
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Here is the kid requesting a timeout.



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Old Thu Mar 02, 2017, 12:41am
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I assigned 2 games where an official double tapped the coach. In both instances, it's cause the official felt like it was his duty to get close to the table and report the technical like it was just another foul.

This doesn't fit that scenario. That coach needed to go.....sooner.
I'm sure I'm misinterpreting your comment but when you say get close to the table, and follow that with report the technical like it was just another foul, is this what you expect/teach? If it was just another foul (which it is), then the official needs to get to the reporting area (or where the scorekeeper can see you, depending on which suburb of Rome you live...) and report it, and then move on. Are you saying that normal fouls need to be reported closer to the table? Or for that matter that techs need to be reported further away from the table??
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Old Thu Mar 02, 2017, 01:40am
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Actually it was the partner that gave the T. But why it took that long is beyond me. I think this is why we have to get rid of the addige, "We should not give both Ts on a coach." That has always been silly to me and here is why it is silly. And I would not have been backing up all the way across the court either.

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After seeing the other view, I understand now. However, seeing that angle makes it even worse. He has to make a gesture to his partner begging for help.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 09:54pm
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Not completely relevant here, but it always amazes me how some coaches believe teenagers over officials.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 10:05pm
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Not completely relevant here, but it always amazes me how some coaches believe teenagers over officials.
Perturbs me also. I've actually called a couple T's when coaches have done it in my ear shot.

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